Dozens of Californians are part of a class action lawsuit filed in July against Toyota. They claim the carmaker's salespeople misled them about the state's unreliable hydrogen refueling infrastructure.
This is such an ignorant statement. They’re complaining about the lack of infrastructure, not the car or tech. We need as many zero emission techs as possible, not just hoping batteries eventually figure it out.
A lot of hydrogen is derived from petroleum. Combine that with hydrogen’s penchant for leaking very easily and the infrastructure would require a constant replenishment of the stuff just to keep idle. Extrapolate that to hydrogen stations being as common as gas stations and you’ll see a lot of waste. For every day car use, it’d be better to use batteries.
Hydrogen as a fuel source is terrible, regardless of the amount of infrastructure surrounding it. It leaks like literally nothing else, you need to generate it (meaning it’s essentially energy storage), and the result of the two facts mean that it’s a horribly wasteful way to propel a car. The only reasons it’s an effective rocket fuel are because NASA doesn’t need to store it long-term and the savings you get from a traditional battery are far-outweighed by the benefits of a lighter load the further along you get.
This hype around H fuel is absolutely fucking batshit.
No it’s not, this is like complaining that EVs suck back in the day because they used lead-acid batteries… that’s what you and the rest of the anti-hydrogen groups are pissy about. It’s new tech, and has it’s place in renewables.
I think you lack important knowledge about the fundamental physical limitations of storing hydrogen.
For the record, I’m a transhumanist. New tech doesn’t scare me, and lackluster present performance isn’t something I view as a bad sign when considering the potential of researching new tech. I think you’re emotionally invested in something you personally view as the future, like solar roadways or the hyperloop. In my community, it’s seen as virtuous to be able to notice and admit when you’re wrong. I think more should do the same.
Yes because it’s hard to do today, means it’s never going to happen. You do realize how many car manufacturers are quietly working on hydrogen ICE cars right?
You’re the guy who told the wright brothers that flying was physically impossible.
I think it’s extremely telling that you keep issuing sladerous ad-hominem instead of speaking on the facts, such as the advantages of hydrogen. The people who are criticizing H cite important things to consider and construct cogent arguments whereas you speak of (as far as I can tell) completely unjustified expectations for these problems to be ameliorated. Why don’t you speak on the potential advantage of a hydrogen future?
how many car manufacturers
Is effort by a company a good indicator of the potential of future technology? If so, why are there so many companies pushing against moving past fossil fuels?
I think it’s extremely telling that you keep issuing sladerous ad-hominem instead of speaking on the facts, such as the advantages of hydrogen. The people who are criticizing H cite important things to consider and construct cogent arguments whereas you speak of (as far as I can tell) completely unjustified expectations for these problems to be ameliorated. Why don’t you speak on the potential advantage of a hydrogen future?
You’ve not stated anything other than it’s hard to store, and that it’s pointless as an energy producer. You’re not saying anything new that doesn’t come from the anti-hydrogen crew. I’m guessing you’re one of those people who think evs are the only thing that should exist.
Hydrogen stations utilizing solar to pull it out of the atmosphere can be drop shipped basically anywhere their is moisture in the air.
Hydrogen ICE motors don’t really require much in the way of engineering to reconfigure the current gas ICE motors.
Hydrogen also can be refueled in minutes not hours. Travel further on a single tank, and doesn’t require the weight that evs do which destroys the roads.
It also doesn’t require sub stations to be put up literally everywhere to support evs.
Now evs have a place in the world, cities mainly, but discounting hydrogen because there are problems that need to be solved is ignorant. It’s like saying evs are worthless because all the negatives I’ve just pointed out, they’re not.
how many car manufacturers
Is effort by a company a good indicator of the potential of future technology? If so, why are there so many companies pushing against moving past fossil fuels?
This is such an ignorant statement. They’re complaining about the lack of infrastructure, not the car or tech. We need as many zero emission techs as possible, not just hoping batteries eventually figure it out.
hydrogen is just a very inefficient battery for strong electrical power.
A lot of hydrogen is derived from petroleum. Combine that with hydrogen’s penchant for leaking very easily and the infrastructure would require a constant replenishment of the stuff just to keep idle. Extrapolate that to hydrogen stations being as common as gas stations and you’ll see a lot of waste. For every day car use, it’d be better to use batteries.
Ftfy.
It’s absolutely possible to get hydrogen through electrolysis. There is effectively 0 being produced this way today.
Hydrogen is and has always been a way to greenwash natural gas consumption.
Hydrogen as a fuel source is terrible, regardless of the amount of infrastructure surrounding it. It leaks like literally nothing else, you need to generate it (meaning it’s essentially energy storage), and the result of the two facts mean that it’s a horribly wasteful way to propel a car. The only reasons it’s an effective rocket fuel are because NASA doesn’t need to store it long-term and the savings you get from a traditional battery are far-outweighed by the benefits of a lighter load the further along you get.
This hype around H fuel is absolutely fucking batshit.
No it’s not, this is like complaining that EVs suck back in the day because they used lead-acid batteries… that’s what you and the rest of the anti-hydrogen groups are pissy about. It’s new tech, and has it’s place in renewables.
I think you lack important knowledge about the fundamental physical limitations of storing hydrogen.
For the record, I’m a transhumanist. New tech doesn’t scare me, and lackluster present performance isn’t something I view as a bad sign when considering the potential of researching new tech. I think you’re emotionally invested in something you personally view as the future, like solar roadways or the hyperloop. In my community, it’s seen as virtuous to be able to notice and admit when you’re wrong. I think more should do the same.
Yes because it’s hard to do today, means it’s never going to happen. You do realize how many car manufacturers are quietly working on hydrogen ICE cars right?
You’re the guy who told the wright brothers that flying was physically impossible.
I think it’s extremely telling that you keep issuing sladerous ad-hominem instead of speaking on the facts, such as the advantages of hydrogen. The people who are criticizing H cite important things to consider and construct cogent arguments whereas you speak of (as far as I can tell) completely unjustified expectations for these problems to be ameliorated. Why don’t you speak on the potential advantage of a hydrogen future?
Is effort by a company a good indicator of the potential of future technology? If so, why are there so many companies pushing against moving past fossil fuels?
You’ve not stated anything other than it’s hard to store, and that it’s pointless as an energy producer. You’re not saying anything new that doesn’t come from the anti-hydrogen crew. I’m guessing you’re one of those people who think evs are the only thing that should exist.
Hydrogen stations utilizing solar to pull it out of the atmosphere can be drop shipped basically anywhere their is moisture in the air.
Hydrogen ICE motors don’t really require much in the way of engineering to reconfigure the current gas ICE motors.
Hydrogen also can be refueled in minutes not hours. Travel further on a single tank, and doesn’t require the weight that evs do which destroys the roads.
It also doesn’t require sub stations to be put up literally everywhere to support evs.
Now evs have a place in the world, cities mainly, but discounting hydrogen because there are problems that need to be solved is ignorant. It’s like saying evs are worthless because all the negatives I’ve just pointed out, they’re not.
Is effort by a company a good indicator of the potential of future technology? If so, why are there so many companies pushing against moving past fossil fuels?
I’m not even going to answer this…