Not saying the OP was banned fairly, but to do the devil’s advocate, there’s people with PHD in biology or medicine who still don’t believe in Evolution. You can always find idiots with PHDs, even in their chosen fields.
I’ll go ahead and say OP was probably banned fairly, judging solely by the fact that he willingly posts threads on 4chan
Anon probably used slurs and got banned for that
As someone with over a hundred banned reddit accounts, you generally don’t get banned for disagreeing. So maybe not slurs, but maybe just general rude language. Or my personal favorite, bothering the mods.
Unless he’s Richard Dawkins, people do get banned if they argue about biological sex.
Especially back in 2020 long before the API changes caused the largest wave of migration of intellectuals away from reddit.
Where have they moved to?
You best start believing in ghost stories, You’re In One.
Something like 1/5 of pharmacists believe homeopathy works. How the fuck can you go through that training and still believe in a hyperdilution that’s magic if you shake it the right way and never ever touch it with your fingers because that takes the magic away?
(For those who are unfamiliar I’m not even being facetious, this is what homeopaths actually believe)
Placebo effect is powerful. They probably have lots of people saying X really helped with their cold/pain/cough/whatever.
There’s some amount of people who believe homeopathy is the same thing as essential oils and herbs, and have no idea about the hyperdilution stuff somehow. Granted, that’s not much better, but there’s at least a realm of slight possibility that you might get useful effects from those, as opposed to literal water with extra steps and flavoring added to make it taste vaguely medicinal.
We’re also talking about people who should absolutely know better regardless so maybe that offers far too much credibility to them.
Like, I didn’t believe in magic before I learned a lot of technology.
Now I do.
I have no idea about homeopathy, but you used the word “facetious” so you must be very smart and I believe everything you say.
Pharmacists and General practitioners believing in homeopathy. Physical Therapists believing in chiropractice. There’s way too many examples. But at least physical therapists don’t tend to have PHDs :D
Physical Therapists believing in chiropractice
I will never not be mad that chiropracticians have largely avoided the hunt for woo-woo magic crystal retards. Don’t get me wrong, some people have managed to find treatment for chronic pain in things like acupuncture and chiropractic care that they couldn’t get elsewhere, but most of the time this is presented as equal to physiotherapy despite lacking any scientific support, and the inability for “alternative medicine” to cure or permanently treat people.
20% of pharmacists believing in homeopathy? That seems ridiculously high. Do you have a source for that?
I read it in Pharmacy Practice. I cannot find the article. Linked in this article is a photo of one the pages I had read and a link that I cannot access. The number was 19% and it was specifically Canadian pharmacists. Not sure what that looks like elsewhere.
To be fair, I’ve heard that as well. My source was a trustworthy guy in lemmy.
Totally, everyone who continued to a PhD in my area was batshit insane. Entirely fuckin deranged but diligent enough to write thousands of words of cogent garbage that no one could be bothered contesting.
Isn’t there some stat that PhD students have 3x the mental health issues than undergrads? Which nowadays is like 100% lol
You misunderstood the statistic. Mental health issues are caused/exacerbated by academia not the other way around. Many of my cohort and friends were bullied, harassed, abused, taken advantage of by supervisors and senior academic staff who often have unreasonable demands and expect blinding unquestioning allegiance.
People who run research groups are not selected for based on their people skills but rather academic performance/pedigree, which is the biggest issue IMO.
Academia is a tough gig. Peer review and thesis chairs perform the review of candidates work, trust me they are almost always contested to varying degrees.
You know what gets me? The fact that the public seems to think that academia is well paid, I’ve had a few people make comments along that line. Cue me, manically laughing when they confusedly ask why anyone is in academia if it’s high stress and relatively poorly paid.
Truth. It’s well paid higher up the ladder but those jobs are few and far between. Depends on the country as well - the US and UK wages suuuck.
I can’t complain. I personally love it and have only worked in supportive teams.
The PHD means you passed your classes. It doesn’t mean anything you say is right.
No, there is no coursework past a master’s thesis. For the last typically ~3-4 years of graduate training, everything that you’re doing is original research. If your research isn’t good enough or done correctly, you will never get a PhD. You also have to defend your dissertation. Getting a PhD from a reputable university does mean that what you say, specifically related to your research area, is correct.
Let’s not pretend we’re in any better of a situation. Same exact thing could happen on any Lemmy server, especially since each server is a small fiefdom run by randos.
It’s already happening. People with no clue what they’re talking about starting fights
Like when people start commenting on the near-east conflict. Hardly anyone knows what the fuck is going on there yet we find many experts on the topic in the comments.
Self-propelled multipurpose couch “EXPERT”
- Crew: 1-6 strategists
(or 8 if not too fat)
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Fuel tank
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Air bag[safety pillow]
Optical caterpillars
Provide speed up to 100Mbps
Teflon seat for couch driver
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Missle silo cover
Three couch-internet missles
Can hit/penetrate to the soul any opponent
I don’t think this is wrong. I’ve learned so much talking shit. I even use talking shit as a mechanism to learn.
I talk shit -> someone corrects me -> I learned something new. The person feels great because they corrected someone.
It’s like a free lesson and everyone wins.
Even people who didn’t know shit, like me, get to read someone beating my ass with arguments, and they also learn.
But if nobody knows much of anything on the matter, how can anyone be sure they’re being corrected and learning anything? 🤔
That is a nice, refreshing and honest view. If I’m being honest with myself, this happened to me very often as well.
“please stop fighting and get along” is my fundamental take on most wars. It’s not particularly useful, but it helps me split the average soldier from the average “leader” that sent them to die.
But 4chan tho is a good place for factually informed discussion. Mr Greentext has it all figured out.
No kidding. I got downvoted a dozen times because I mentioned that diet and practices help with sun burns and sunscreen isn’t the win all against the sun. I didn’t post sources right away, but when I did the hive has made up it’s mind.
WTF are you talking about?
Settle down. I’m talking about people getting upset on a comment without acknowledging authenticity. The downvote and how a comment is buried or promoted is probably the worst thing reddit has manufactured. It’s what the post is about. And what the comment I replied to is that it’s happening here at lemmy
just sounds to me like youre a kid and you give too much worth to a karma system.
Link the comment, maybe you didn’t deserve it but to me you just sound like a wiseguy.
Diet doesn’t replace sunscreen.I could care less about any of these systems, other than say it’s not flowing towards equitable information. You thinking I’m saying diet replaces sunscreen shows you’re not processing it.
We’re not discussing sun screen, and I’m old. Take what you want.
So you do care, got it.
be me
go to reddit
lie about my credentials
start a fight
eventually just start insulting everyone
“Y GOT B&???!!!”
scurry back to racism and CP board
complain
Nah, this shit is real. I’ve seen it. Once the piling on starts it becomes hard to turn the ship around though I’ve seen it happen. People are morons and they follow the crowd. They see the downvote, and like chicken, they peck at it because others did the same.
is the phenomenon real? absolutely. is writing vague fake stories about how “This community is better than that other community. I went there, and I got downvoted even though I’m definitely right because I’m definitely an expert. Congratulations on being part of the smart community instead of the dumb one.” also real? absolutely. The two things that make me think this is bullshit are:
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“I’m definitely right because I’m an expert in that field. No I won’t tell you what the field is.”
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174% of the time “I got banned for having the wrong opinion” translates to “I was a complete and utter shithead to everyone and now I’m trying to pretend the issue is what I said not how I said it.”
My knowledge of echo chambers tells me that 2 is simply untrue
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Yep, I got downvoted to oblivion on Reddit once for daring to reference (and source) a peer-reviewed paper.
What a time to be alive.
Dear fellow scholar…
OP might not have a PhD but this stuff happens a lot on reddit. A lot of people here on Lemmy have an IT background and would get a rude shock looking at some of the dominant opinions on the major technology-related subreddits, particularly those that are heavily astroturfed.
It hits like this when people with a pure CS or IT background start talking about the humanities or literally anything not purely tech-related.
“Just” is the most dangerous adverb in the English language for engineers. I catch myself making sure I revisit anytime I say it to make sure nuance is better captured.
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Yeah, I avoid most of that nonsense. Even the humor sites annoy me more than anything.
/r/technology is perhaps my least favorite, and the Lemmy alternatives are a bit better imo (though a little too focused on Elon Musk).
If you really want to have some fun, when an Intel CPU is out preforming an AMD one on the charts go and mention that in a thread related to CPU performance. I’m fairly sure you’ll be talking to people paid with AMD money to astroturf the shit out of Reddit who will make up every excuse they can about the situation.
Intel CPU do outperform AMD in several workloads, but on the top end, AMD seems to have the efficiency advantage.
If AMD lost in some, they outperformed in many more metrics by large enough margins.
This trend was true in past 2 gens (price and efficiency advantage with an overall perf advantage in power limited scenarios). Nothing to astroturf about it.
The weird part would be if someone is comparing a zen2 with 14gen and still sticking with AMD for “some reason”
I have similar gen Intel and AMD, the Intel chip annihilates the AMD one for bursty workloads, AMD eats Intel at everything else though (power draw especially).
Yup. Intel can boost significantly higher than base clock
I have similar gen Intel and AMD, the Intel chip annihilates the AMD one for bursty workloads, AMD eats Intel at everything else though (power draw especially).
it better, with all of that power…
I hop into the selfhosted subreddit every once in awhile and as you would imagine it’s mostly hobbyists that have no clue what they’re doing, but they’re also not very receptive to advice from people who do. They have their own set of commandments at this point it’s pretty wild.
just wondering, but what are they commonly doing wrong?
The most common thing you see is the idea that the holy grail of security being “not forwarding ports in your router”. Put your publicly accessible web service running on your unsegmented home LAN behind a cloudflare tunnel and you’re “secure”, problem solved, job done. If you point out the fact that this doesn’t solve any of the problems that go along with “port forwarding” or that CF tunnels MITMs all their data, you’ll get downvoted as a “CloudFlare hater”.
Similarly they tend to believe that there’s no reason to separate your publicly accessible server from the rest of the devices on your home LAN, especially because the home LAN is “safe”.
Wat astroturfed
It could also be about your tone. People will downvote you just because you sound like an asshole.
Yes, effective communication strategies are a vital and required skill set for the most learned among us. It is the duty of the rational to communicate knowledge and understanding to the irrational. They certainly can’t do it themselves.
Yeah. This is why ignorance is bliss.
At least until they meet the consequences of ignorance. Then again, some idiots are just plain lucky.
This has happened to me multiple times, what’s worse is that I have over corrected myself a few times with being a bit too polite. Maybe I come off as sarcastic when I do that.
Yup, I try to post a ton of sources to compensate. That way hopefully they’ll see the effort I put in and actually read past my rather direct way of communicating online.
It seems to work more often than not, but unfortunately lower effort posts are more frequently rewarded vs higher effort posts imo.
The same happened to me on Lemmy. I brought evidence, they brought anecdotes, and I was the “loser” of the discussion according to the hive
Lemmy has a strong hive mentality.
Many long said that we need to address it. But it’s not currently clear as of how.
I’ve been mass downvoted here for pointing out a point in the article that nobody had even read. It’s incredible the amount of dogpiling that can happen for something so innocuous. Could have been isolated to that thread but you are definitely right about the hive mentality.
Where?
Everywhere. Just look for anything that goes against (even slightly) the leftist perspective, such as:
- anything critical of trans people competing in sports - a lot of those policies are bigoted, but there are legitimate concerns
- evidence that the economy is not as bad as people claim - e.g. cars aren’t more expensive today than they used to be, bottom of the market cars are about the same price as they were 20 years ago, after accounting for inflation (they’re actually a little cheaper in many cases, and have way more tech)
- arguments criticizing Biden/Democrats
- anything anti-socialist
And so on. The quality of the argument doesn’t matter, what matters is that it doesn’t fit the leftist agenda, so it gets downvoted like crazy.
Go ahead, try playing devil’s advocate sometime (and don’t say the equivalent of “I’m a leftist, but…”) and cite your sources and see how well your post does vs comments that ignore facts and spout common leftist rhetoric, the lower effort post will get more votes and yours will probably go negative.
You’re literally a different user. Do you have two accounts?
Nope, just someone who has the same problem.
Aside from criticism of Biden/Dems, in all of those cases you’re taking a position that is, in general, not true. Just because you have some facts that suggest the economy is better than we think, or that socialism doesn’t work better than capitalism, doesn’t make you correct. Just because a fact is correct doesn’t make it true. The truth is that capitalism is killing us all, and nitpicking that narrative really doesn’t help anybody. Facts that disagree with that truth are usually either misleading or literally just fabrications themselves.
Just because a fact is correct doesn’t make it true. The truth is that capitalism is killing us all, and nitpicking that narrative really doesn’t help anybody. Facts that disagree with that truth
Let me just explain what I’m hearing here: “I believe X to be true, and anything that goes against that must be false.” That’s culty thinking.
Here’s how it should work: “I believe X to be true, but fact A goes against that, so I’ll look for more facts to prove or disprove X.” Science is all about making a hypothesis and finding evidence both for and against it, and then making a new hypothesis with that new information.
So the reaction to a well thought out argument that goes against your belief shouldn’t be to downvote and move on, but to challenge your opinion and look for evidence both for and against it. Take your belief as one hypothesis, take the alternative as another, and find facts that support each. Then go with the opinion that has the better evidence, or form a new one based on your findings.
Right, but I have already challenged my opinion far more than is necessary, I’m not going to start over. I used to think of myself as a capitalist, and as a liberal. But then I challenged my beliefs, and I found that they didn’t hold water. By I believe the transitive property, that means I no longer need to seriously consider whether capitalism or liberalism are reasonable views to hold.
As a result, unless I see a whole lot of new information on the subject, I am going to assume that any fact which seems to suggest capitalism or liberalism are valid systems is actually just misleading or false. And you should too. People have been having these debates with themselves for 150+ years, and all of the smartest people came up with the answer of socialism (Einstein, MLK, Lenin, etc). Meanwhile, all of the grifters and Nazi lovers came up with capitalism/liberalism
Einstein was a fan of socialism, but he was also very critical of Lenin saying he and the Bolsheviks had established a “regime of terror.” So it’s unclear what system he’d actually be in favor of, since socialism tends toward authoritarianism.
MLK was more of a democratic socialist (e.g. someone like Bernie Sanders), and he was staunchly anti-communist.
So each of those three are very different from each other.
Nazi lovers came up with capitalism/liberalism
No, Nazis hate capitalism and liberalism, by definition.
Fascism is wholly against international free market capitalism, and against any form of capitalism within the state that does not directly benefit the state. Fascist regimes consistently interfere in capitalist mechanisms.
They hate liberalism because the needs of the state supercede that rights, wants, and needs of the individual. Fascism is actually defined as being anti-liberalism, so they’re pretty much diametrically opposed.
So either you don’t understand fascism, or you’re applying the term to something completely different.
I don’t know for certain that fascists love capitalism, but capitalists sure love fascism. Most of the Uber wealthy in the mid 20th century were more than happy to work with the Nazis. And the Nazis certainly were not opposed to working with those capitalists. The two ideologies are very similar: both steadily constrict the power of the government into fewer and fewer hands, until you get situations like Nazi Germany or present day USA, where one group of a few thousand has near complete control over the country.
I was using socialism as a blanket term for “the left” there (do you know a better one?). All 3 of them were further left than Bernie Sanders, which I’d argue makes them socialists (the blanket term)
Not sure where you’re getting the idea socialism tends towards authoritarianism, it has more defenses to it than capitalism. Capitalism literally demands that a company do everything it can to co-opt the government, because if you don’t, your competitors will. By contrast, socialism is commonly referred to as “workplace democracy”. It has distributing power as widely as possible as its central tenet, IE workers owning the means of production.
Yeah folks on Lemmy want you to believe we are above at that but man people can be nasty here
The key word is “people.” This will happen everywhere where there are people and limited “regulation” on expertise verification unfortunately. :(
I think it’s especially bad here because you have a higher concentration of passionate people, i.e. people who went against the mainstream and left Reddit. So you’ll get far fewer “average joes” vs a more popular site like Reddit.
Reddit is great for watching communities being radicalized. Wehther they do it themselves or they get a psyops push is up to everyone’s guess but I’ve watched it several times.
SRS: Started out as a community pointing out misoginy and racism, ended up as a very weird hate group. I didn’t watch it that closely, only saw the result.
some tumbler centered sub i followed, I forgot the name: same story, started quite light hearted, making fun of stupid shit said by kids on tumbler, turned into a right wing hategroup. This one I witnessed. They ran out of material quick, started posting lame shit but now they gave it their own, made up context in the comments. After a while, people who pointed out obvious satire got downvoted.
/r/TumblrInAction turned into fascist propaganda really fucking quick
i miss when it was just making fun of otherkin :(
Yepp
Pretty much, seriously, fuck reddit… it’s the only service I’ve ever been banned with in my 33 years of life, and I keep seeing others who have an unfair ban either on the site or from the site.
What’s the old saying? If you run into an asshole, fuck him, if you CONSTANTLY run into assholes, you might be the asshole…
The only site I’ve been suspended in was X (twitter) recently, and it was on a lurker account I mainly use to follow people and rarely ever post on, and it was after coming back to the app after a few weeks of absence lol.
Automated modding seems to fail on those sites, while giving users modding powers is always abused. I guess it’s manageable if there’s support, which X doesn’t seem to have anymore.
A lot of subreddits have the wildest and most complicated rules. Said the word “aardvark” on the third Wednesday of the month? BAN
All that matters is whether you’re speaking for or against the prevailing assumptions of the site/the subreddit. Most people on the internet are not experts on the topic but somehow already have their minds made up.
Also, Lemmy is not better than Reddit in this regard. Dominant opinion > everything else.
Well, they could just have posted sources to their claims instead of just playing the self-authority card the whole time.
Now do lemmy.world
Lol there’s a difference?
You probably won’t get banned or rate limited
I’ve gotten a ban from world news on world, they’re basically reddit at this point.
I looked up your comment in the modlog just to see; if it’s the one I see, you got banned from lemmy.ml which is a little different. They make no pretense of fairness.
That said, based on the comment that’s fuckin ridiculous. I don’t agree with you, but I can’t understand the point of a communication network where as soon as someone busts out an opinion the operators don’t like, they remove them from the community. It’s like lighting a big red beacon “MY OPINIONS CANNOT TOLERATE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO DISAGREE.” It’s one thing if you’re insulting some person in the channel or something, but it was clearly just your geopolitical opinion.
Then again, it is lemmy.ml; it’s run by people who idolize leaders who imprison or torture people who try to disagree, so count yourself lucky that they’re not in charge of anything beyond their little server I guess. I tried to debate with the tankies when I first showed up here and at this point my approach is just to unsubscribe and move on.
Edit: Just because I reread this and I’m still irritated at it somehow. My breaking point with lemmy.ml was when I was arguing with some people, and someone else showed up in the thread and I was talking with him, and the people I was arguing with were using the new guy’s opinions as some kind of “gotcha” against me. Like, this guy believes this, and you’re supporting him, so clearly you’re on his side (I wasn’t), and you agree with him (I definitely didn’t), and we can hold you responsible for anything he says because you’re not attacking him.
Like, they could not process the idea that I might be talking to someone who had a different opinion than me, and it could be okay. They thought if he said flip, and I thought it was flop, I had to instantly start screaming at him about how flop was the way, and everything else had to stop, and if i didn’t do that I wasn’t a good flop-supporter. And so they seemed like they legitimately thought that if I wasn’t doing that it meant I secretly supported flip, because that was what they would do, is just scream (figuratively speaking) at anyone who didn’t agree with them completely on everything they considered important, until they “won” (i.e. the person gave up and left).
I realized there was nothing for me there, and unsubscribed from anything world-event-related on lemmy.ml immediately, and so far it’s proven to be a good decision.
I got a 3 day ban from news on .ml for posting a link to Media Bias Fact Check. I wasn’t OP, just posted the link with a summary when someone asked about OP’s source. I would imagine OP got sent for Re-Education.
That’s this account, I’ve also been banned from the world news .world community on a different account.
The admins on world are trolls, I don’t know about the lead dude though. I’ve been either banned or shadow banned there, my stuff isn’t showing up except to the original poster sometimes. It’s very odd. I’m almost fully switched over to not posting, but sometimes I do by accident. World sucks.
World really is reddit 2.0, with all the idiocy best left behind.
If you can sound confident in a reddit-y way, being right doesn’t matter. If it seems like the threads going that way just disengage, it’s not worth it.
The modlog is such a great feature of lemmy.
I don’t think it’s available in voyager, which is afaik the only extant iOS app that’s not in beta. I miss it
Mlem is still under constant development (source: am Mlem developer), but Voyager is the most feature-complete at the moment by far. I don’t know of any other iOS clients still in development. Unfortunately Memmy’s development seems to have halted :(
I saw that on the list, but I thought “in development” was the step before beta testing- can you already use mlem?
I miss liftoff :(
Mlem has been out of beta testing for a while; it’s available on the App Store. It offers all of the Lemmy features that the average user would use, except for post searching. It doesn’t yet support moderation/administration features.
Although the app is fully out, we still improve it over time by releasing feature updates every few months (we’re planning to release an update this week, actually). That’s what I mean when I say “in constant development”.
It’s vital that a Lemmy client has at least one active developer. When a new version of Lemmy is released, “breaking changes” are often included. These changes by the Lemmy developers require the client developers to modify their apps to support the new system. If there aren’t any developers left to make those modifications, the app can stop working.
To gauge whether an app is still being developed, you can take a look at their GitHub/GitLab page. It tells you how recently the source code of the app was last modified. Voyager and Mlem both had changes less than a day ago, whereas Memmy hasn’t been touched for several months.
What happened to Liftoff? I’m out of the loop
Thank you!
Liftoff was never updated to version 19, so it still has the logout problem and it doesn’t load posts well anymore :(
I’d prefer an app in development!
1,000% agree. Almost as if it’s designed to be used by a community of people working together and not by a ruling class deciding what’s permissible and nonpermissable for the peasants who are blessed to exist on their server 🙂.
This transparency does come with the side effect of shattering the hope that moderators in the lemmyverse are any better than those on any other part of the Internet though. It’s the same little lords ruling over their little fiefdoms.
Democracy in a nutshell
