how the hell did this of all the posts turn into a promptfondler shooting gallery
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Promptfondler has to be my new favourite slur!
*Epithet
Hahaha what a load of nonsense.
Summarised by Gemini
your post history tells me you’re pretty fucking comfortable with pointless nonsense
Made strange choices about what to highlight.
They certainly do. For a while it was common to see AI-generated summaries under links to articles on lemmy, so I got a feel for them. Seems to me you would not need any fancy artificial intelligence to do equally well: Just take random excerpts, or maybe just read every third sentence.
Could it be because a statistical relation isn’t the same as a semantic one? No, I must be prompting it wrong. I’ll just add “engineer” to my title and then everyone will take me seriously.
The problem is not the LLMs, but what people are trying to do with them.
They are currently spoons, but people are desperately wishing they were katanas.
They work really well for soup, but they can’t cut steak. But they’re being hyped as super ninja steak knives, and people are getting pissed when they can’t cut steak.
If you give them watery, soupy tasks they can do successfully, they can lighten your workload, as long as you’re aware of what they are and aren’t good at.
What people want LLMs to be able to do, ie. “Steak” tasks:
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write complex documents
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apply complex knowledge/rules to a situation
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Write complex code and create entire programs based on vague description
What LLMs can currently do ie. “Soup” tasks:
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check this document and fix all spelling, punctuation and grammatical errors
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summarise this paragraph as dot points
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write a python program that sorts my photographs into folders based on the year they were taken
Half of Lemmy is hyping katanas, the other half is yelling “Why won’t my spoon cut this steak?!! AI is so dumb!!!”
What LLMs can currently do summarise this paragraph as dot points
The entire point here is that they can’t?
Clearly this post is about LLMs not succeeding at this task, but anecdotally I’ve seen it work OK and also fail. Just like humans, which is the benchmark but they are faster.
humans are clearly faster at generating utterly banal shit, as proven by your posts in this thread
Why did this immediately give me a flashback to Donald Trump yelling, “when it comes to great steaks, I’ve just raised the stakes!”
Food analogy
This level of discourse wouldn’t fly on 4chan, how is it so popular with LLM fans?
don’t diss the course, this steak’s great
needs to be a car analogy
- What people want LLMs to do, i.e. Corvette tasks
- What LLMs actually do, i.e. Trabant tasks
What LLMs actually do, i.e. Trabant tasks
more of a Power Wheels Barbie Jeep whose battery got left out in the sun too long, but I’ll allow it
good god this entire post is the most tortured believer whataboutism I’ve encountered this month and there’s extremely strong competition here
are currently spoons, but people are desperately wishing they were katanas
ie. “Steak” tasks
you should make a youtube channel,
The Katana Steak-Eater. I’d watch the shit out of that at least one saturday afternoonthey don’t do any of that soup shit reliably either and reading the article might have told you that
They absolutely do, and I have no idea why you’re so angry
hahaha ok fuck off now
“spoons and katanas” has got to be the most baby brained analogy. are you a child
Who cares? It paints the correct picture and adds useful context.
you do realize steaks arriving purple or green are bad things, right
it is stupid and wrong, and i pity your inability to understand that fact
it doesn’t do either of those things
Thanks Donald, good luck in November
I get that this is some sort of attempt at an election related Epic Comeback, but it doesn’t make sense
I’d offer congratulations on obfuscating a bad claim with a poor analogy, but you didn’t even do that very well.
more of a Trabant analogy than a Corvette analogy
Actually, LLMs are syringes filled with brain-parasite-infested poop
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Is it only me, or is the linked article not super long on details & is reaching a conclusion from 2 examples? This is important & I need to hear more, & I’m generally biased against AI at this point— but the article isn’t doing enough to convince me
did you click through to any of the inline citations? David’s shorter articles on pivot mostly gather and summarize those, so if you need to read the original research and its conclusions that’s where to go
Ah, that’s better, yes. Thank you , no sarcasm :) now sleepy brain is more informed
I keep having to remind people. Chatgpt is only as good as the prompt you give it. I am astounded as the amount of garbage that some people get, but I also know that it’s generally because their prompts are garbage.
Sometimes it’s output sucks, even with good input. But likely, if the output is bad, the input was bad.
ATTN: If you’re coming into this thread to say, “The output of AI is bad because your prompts suck,” I’m just proud that you managed to figure out how to use the internet at all. Good job, you!
remember remember, eternal september
(not that I much agree with the classist overtones of the original, but fuck me does it come to mind often)
Facts are not a data type for LLMs
I kind of like this because it highlights the way LLMs operate kind of blind and drunk, they’re just really good at predicting the next word.
They’re not good at predicting the next word, they’re good at predicting the next common word while excluding most unique choices.
What results is essentially if you made a Venn diagram of human language and only ever used the center of it.
Yes, thanks for clarifying what I meant! AI will never create anything unique unless prompted uniquely and even then it will tend to revert back to what you expect most.
i have seen the light from the helpful posters here, made up bullshit alleged summaries of documents are great actually
LLMs, and everyone who uses them to process information:
Ok? I don’t have another human available to skim a shitload of documents for me to find answers I need and I don’t have time to do ot myself. AI is my best option.
So long as you don’t care about whether they’re the right or relevant answers, you do you, I guess. Did you use AI to read the linked post too?
Yep. Go ahead and ignore all the cases where it’s getting answers correct and actually helping. We’re all just hallucinating, it’s in no way my lived experience. Your reality is the prime reality and we’re the NPC’s.
Go ahead and ignore all the cases where it’s getting answers correct
- Sir, half of the patients are dead!
- Ye sure, just ignore the half that survived then!
Only it’s even worse because without redoing all the work yourself you can’t even tell which ones are dead or alive.
And I wish only my good grades counted in school too.
sir has failed to achieve the reading comprehension level for this sub
I didn’t read the post at all because its premise is irrelevant to my situation. If I had another human to read documentation for me I would do that. I don’t so the next best thing is AI. I have to double check its findings but it gets me 95% of the way there and saves hours of work. It’s a useful tool.
everyone, we have a new worst poster
absolutely superb posting, thank you
I didn’t read the post at all
rather refreshing to have someone come out and just say it. thank you for the chuckle
we really do need “my source is that I made it the fuck up” for people who aggressively don’t want to read any of the text they’re allegedly commenting on
This is hall of fame shit right here, someone should study the way you use the internet sir
Well, to be fair, AI can do it in seconds. Which beats humans.
But if that is relevant if the results are worthless is another question.
Yeah it changes the task from note taking or summarizing to proofreading.
And proofreading is notably more complex and has a worse failure state than just writing your own summary.
Thing is you can do in real time and not pay as much attention to the goings on as you write or do it in the end and forget stuff. there is no harm in the ai summariziation. you could instead write a summary and check if you left anything out via the ai.
that’s great thanks
I had GPT 3.5 break down 6x 45-minute verbatim interviews into bulleted summaries and it did great. I even asked it to anonymize people’s names and it did that too. I did re-read the summaries to make sure no duplicate info or hallucinations existed and it only needed a couple of corrections.
Beats manually summarizing that info myself.
Maybe their prompt sucks?
How did you make sure no hallucinations existed without reading the source material; and if you read the source material, what did using an LLM save you?
Did you conduct or read all the interviews in full in order to verify no hallucinations?
I got AcausalRobotGPT to summarise your post and it said “I’m not saying it’s always programming.dev, but”
@RagnarokOnline @dgerard “They failed to say the magic spells correctly”
“Are you sure you’re holding it correctly?”
christ, every damn time
That is how tools tend to work, yes.
we find they tend to post here, though not for long
it makes me feel fucking ancient to find that this dipshit didn’t seem to get the remark, and it wasn’t even that long ago
Jobs is Tech Jesus, but Antennagate is only recorded in one of the apocryphal books
“tools” doesn’t mean “good”
good tools are designed well enough so it’s clear how they are used, held, or what-fucking-ever.
fuck these simpleton takes are a pain in the arse. They’re always pushed by these idiots that have based their whole world view on fortune cookie aphorisms
Said like a person who wouldn’t be able to correctly hold a hammer on first try
Dang everyone here needs to look at a tree or a cat or something. Energy is wack in here
Nearly every cat is a tree-cat.
I just went outside and appreciated the rendering
Pretty nice right? I did the trees and cats.
DANGER WILL ROBINSON, godposting detected
I have some competition!
if people don’t appreciate the kitties their tamagotchi is in some fucking trouble
While reading this entire stuff I periodically looked at my cat and let out a sigh, and he just looks at me with that knowing gaze
“Ye, you are all dumb, hoomans. Don’t think about it. Pet me now.”
