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    "Justin Trudeau has proven again and again he will always cave to corporate greed. The Liberals have let people down

    Can’t argue with that. I’m worried though. I’ll vote NDP but I have a bad feeling Conservatives will win.

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      At least that means a less conservative (ie LPO) Ontario premier…

      But with the US electing swinging to what we laughably refer to as the left, I wonder if it could cause the CPC trouble in the upcoming election. Could hope for a coalition government…

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        Tories will be even pissier than usual if there was a legit coalition government, hell it’s even in the wording of what Pierre sent Jagmeet, that the s&c is propping up something that wasn’t elected and the like, literally the same shit they did back in the Harper years.

        Shocking, a Harper minister sounding like Harper.

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        But with the US electing swinging to what we laughably refer to as the left, I wonder if it could cause the CPC trouble in the upcoming election.

        No. We lag behind the US’s shifts here, which is why it’s important to PP to get the election rolling before the year is out. While he’d still probably win an election next year, in all likelihood it would be a much smaller victory should the Yankees actually send any kind of message rebuking the naked fascists running this year.

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        At least that means a less conservative (ie LPO OLP) Ontario premier…

        Eh, I’m not sure Crombie is much less conservative than Ford. I feel if she becomes Premier, we’re going to have to wait another cycle of shifting right-then-left until we have a chance at an actual progressive government.

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      I think it is certainly arguable, it’s fairly standard political hyperbole. Singh must remember not three months ago Bill c_58 came into effect, banning scabs (replacement workers) from being brought in during a strike or lock out.

      The claim “proven again and again he will always cave to corporate greed” is, frankly, demonstrably false.

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          Polinever is still a shit face baby nazi weasel

          Yes, and while I am a liberal who generally supports the Liberals in Canada, I absolutely will vote to keep Pierre out of power, whatever that means at the time. I have no real animosity with social democrats.

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          Yes, they did, and it’s arguable still. Given how many downstream jobs and the lives attached to them would be hurt by a sustained lock out of our dual member rail oligopoly I think binding arbitration is a preferrable option.

          Binding arbitration is often opposed by both employers and employees, for different reasons. Amongst employers it’s because Canadian arbitrators don’t take ability to pay / fund into consideration when determining compensation and benefit changes, and so actually favor employees more.

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            If there’s that much of an issue, then rail employers should actually acknowledge the power of the union, negotiate, and fucking deal. The state stepping in to kill collective action here, because it might affect people over there is done not to protect the people over there, but to ensure they don’t get any ideas of their own.

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              I don’t beleive that cynical take for a second. The federal government has an obligation to consider the nationwide impact of a work stoppage, especially in a natural oligopoly like rail that moves a billion dollars of goods accross the country every day. In the end the arbitration is likely to favor the workers as it has on average in Canada.

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      "Justin Trudeau has proven again and again he will always cave to corporate greed. The Liberals have let people down

      Lil’ PP will show us how THAT’s done.

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      They are going to try the old Biden Harris switcheroo…

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        It’s practically a Canadian tradition to swap out an unpopular party leader as either a sacrifice or a rebrand.

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            Ugh, no.

            The problem is that the LPC has little or no bench strength. Freeland was probably the best option and she’s been Hillary’ed by the CPC and the right-wing media over the last four years. After her, the bench is very thin: O’Reagan’s similarly tained, Carney is a corporate tool, Leblanc isn’t far behind. It gets pretty thin after that. I think they’re looking at another Dion/Ignatieff-style wasteland as they try to figure out how to find a leader who’s cool and popular without worrying about them doing anything.

            The NDP has it worse. They really should have kept Mulcair or selected Angus. They’d be in a much better place now, if they had, though even then the media would just try hard not to cover them, like they’re doing with Stiles in Ontario, who is very good but doesn’t get any airplay.

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              Bachrach has been doing some good things, like taking VIA home for Christmas to point out that passenger rail should have priority. He doesn’t have the experience that Cullen did, but he’s promising.

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    Last week, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre called on Singh to pull out of the agreement.

    Calling Singh’s statement a “media stunt” in a post on X, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre criticized the NDP leader for not saying whether he will vote non-confidence in the government at the earliest opportunity.

    Conservatives moving goalposts constantly… colour me surprised until I’m blue in the face.

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      Poilievre is making a string of very strange political gambles. Doing the rhyming nickname thing, trying to look like a cool badass, going on a string of unusual, foolish-looking, public attacks against rivals.

      If the Conservatives don’t do as well as expected in the federal election, I wonder what’s next for them, from a leadership, attitude, and policy standpoint.

      This will be Gen Z’s first real federal election to participate in. I’m very interested to see their impact. Convention is to assume that the young won’t vote, but, life and livelihood for the youth in Canada has never been worse, at least in my lifetime.

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        If there’s a glimmer of hope I have despite the current >99% CPC majority projection, is that Canadian youth will look to the US, see how much the outlook changes between June and November to know what is possible with an engaged electorate and the appropriate leader to match.

        What we’ve got to figure out here is either how we can remove FPTP or come out with a proper plan to vote strategically. Like look at this fucking “Leans Conservative” riding. A massive hunk of bullshit, I tell you.

        https://338canada.com/59038e.htm

        Edit: I missed a word

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          FPTP needs to be stopped. The court needs to get its head out of its rear end and actually call this method of voting antiquated and no longer appropriate.

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          I disagree. And also I don’t understand how your comment is relevant to the conversation. Making a non sequitur like this isn’t constructive. So, nice try but, you will not divide us!

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            you will not divide us

            I’m not even sure what this is meant to mean. What do you imagine my motives are? Who am I supposedly trying to divide?

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            Ah yes, it’s society’s fault young men are swinging hard right into fascism like they always do. It’s society’s fault that toxic masculinity has become a political movement. If only we had allowed young men into women’s shelters, the next 20 years of repression and oppression could have doubtlessly been avoided. Stupid society.

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                  Genuinely not sure why people are lining up to argue you on this. Its not even opinion, just facts.

                  If anything, it’s about time us white guys have to fucking struggle a bit. I’d just like a world where we can collectively pull our heads out our asses and stop voting the wrong people into power.

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        I hope they will consider carefully before voting. We don’t need a lot of edgy, kneejerk mistakes.

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      To Poilievre it seems to be a game he needs to play as hard as possible to win. I bet he’s semi-open about his disregard for accuracy the moment the cameras are off.

      Honestly, I blame the voters for not noticing.

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    Defintly seems to be alluding to breaking the rail strike, which is a big deal.

    I really worry this will result in a conservative government, however the Liberals cant take the NDP support for granted.

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      I’m hopeful the LPC will maintain confidence through their term with NDP support, in absense of the formal agreement.

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      Strategically, this a move that I think shows to the Canadian labour bloc, that actions like what the Liberal minister did to the rail workers don’t go without consequences. Singh can harp on, consoling and hugging union leaders if he wants but rescinding the agreement is one big step above just talk that is within the NDP’s power.

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        for sure.

        It definitly has a Catch 22, because I dont want to see a snap election, I think the conservitives have too much a chance of forming a government, and as rough as the Liberals can be, the conservitives would be far worse… but we can’t have the NDP just being unwavering support for the Liberals.

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        I think that the majority of voters will look past what happened to the rail workers. It’s not a labour issue many understand or hear about.

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    Hopefully that will encourage voters to see them as a viable alternative to Liberals and Conservatives.

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    Singh said the Liberals will not stand up to corporate interests and he will be running in the next election to “stop Conservative cuts.”

    FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

    We are so fucked.

    Edit: to be clear I just think Singh is not the leader to bring us an NDP government. I think they’ll end up gaining only a couple of seats, because his election performance has not been very good.

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      I’d have much preferred to see the agreement last until next year. Finish at least getting the senate bills passed, give Trudeau another year of appointing liberal and, basically, not conservative senators.

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    the video was scheduled to go live online at 1 p.m. Wednesday.

    Seeing this at quarter past the hour I went to look for it at the ndp.ca website. It does not appear to be there. I followed the link to their youtube channel. Not there either. Presumably it’s on fucking twitter or something. Please do better, NDP.

    Anyway, the video can be seen at cpac.

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    Singh had many reasonable opportunities to do this over the last few years, but finally pulls the rip cord when the Conservatives are polling way ahead? What the fuck? He’s such a useless piece of shit, why do the NDP keep him around

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      It’s because of the rail labour dispute. The NDP can’t/won’t be party to cutting down unions.

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      Doing it when the Liberals are in really bad shape improves the odds of the NDP winning, up from 0.0 to 0+ε.

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        We will be lucky to get away with 4 years. A generation of young men is being swayed conservative in the smoke pits of the internet and I’m worried we’ll suffer a lost decade of governance by bumper sticker weirdos.

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        I think it’s less of “goaded him into it” and more of “predicted it”. As others have pointed out, messing with unions is a red-line for the NDP.

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        To paraphrase Terry Pratchett, once you think the problem is that you have the wrong kind of people, you shouldn’t be a leader

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            You’d said the problem was voters. That’s an entirely wrong way to look at politics.

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              Obviously I was being glib. But even if I weren’t, I am not intending to be a leader, so Pratchet is not talking about me.

              Having said that, voters have dynamic, even mutable qualities, and those are exactly the qualities that determine elections. There is an entirely reasonable approach to politics that is about educating and informing voters so that they can make more rational decisions. There is a very effective approach to politics that encourages and exploits voter disenfranchisement. Yes, voters can be the problem.