In this post, I wrote about the sad experience of having a friend use AI to wish me a happy birthday. https://robertkingett.com/posts/6627/ #AI #Blog #Blogging #Blogs @techtakes @fuck_ai
This made my heart hurt bud. I hope it didn’t overshadow the rest of your day!
@o7___o7 Thank you! The audio email from my Dominican friend where he was telling me happy birthday made it all the more epic! There was another person that said, well, don’t be surprised if she writes about you writing about her using AI because that was uncalled for, but I just had such a visceral reaction, I was just like, I need to write about this because I am afraid this is going to get common in Casual settings and not just corporate kind of settings either. Thank you so much for your comment however! It made my night!
appreciate ya!
It was a text message from one of my racialized friends.
I don’t understand what this is supposed to mean
The author felt the need to tell everyone their friend was not white and “Spanish or Dominican or whatever.” But according to them, the A.I. birthday wishes is the sad part of this story.
I think you should leave.
imagine if you read the post instead of coming in here with a weird fucking accusation
@MrJameGumb Oh sorry! I was refering to the notion that society created race.
Ok… How was that in any way relevant to a story about a different friend sending you an AI birthday greeting?
Also your essay seems to suggest that you don’t think people should express anything within the context of race, fair enough I suppose, but then you seem to take every opportunity to mention that your cool friend is Dominican… It’s very confusing
yep, you can fuck off with this bad faith shit too
I am also, in good faith, confused.
just by reading this comment thread as-is, and searching up one single word, should be all you need to become less confused
Looked it up, and,
Racialization or ethnicization is a sociological concept used to describe the intent and processes by which ethnic or racial identities are systematically constructed within a society.
OK. And the author said he was referring to the fact that society created race. Sure, fine.
I’m no less confused as to why one would refer to their friend as “racialized.” This friend is a person whose race has been created by society? But then that’s true of everyone. What makes the Dominican friend racialized if Karen is not? If they both are, why refer to one as racialized and not the other?
your good faith evaporated almost as fast as my patience. fuck along now
alright
“Spanish or Dominican or whatever.”
nothing like this or that can be paraphrased to this appears in the article
Ok… How was that in any way relevant to a story about a different friend sending you an AI birthday greeting?
robert is describing how he, as a Blind author, experienced both his best birthday message and his worst one. he illustrated why he thought his Dominican friend’s message was beautiful and contrasted it with his other friend’s utterly thoughtless AI-generated message, which that friend sent even though they knew Robert’s views on AI
none of this is particularly objectionable unless you’re a big AI fan or you dislike interracial affection and you’re reaching for a problem to have with, as I mentioned, a Blind author affectionately describing his friend’s voice
@self Bingo! You got it! Thank you! For others, the contrast between the messages. My Dominican friend sent me a caring message that was lovely and heartfelt. The other one was careless and sent me a generated thing that I never even expressed interest in in the first place. I was contrasting the feelings of receiving those two kinds of messages
I’d compare your intelligence to a bag of rocks, but that would require you to know what a comparison is.
I’m pro-AI, but not pro-AI in the sense of, “turn these bullet-points into a verbose email,” and not pro-AI for personal communication like this. I hope this kind of stuff doesn’t become common. It’s like going in the opposite direction of “SMS language” (which I view favorably).
Buh bye now.
what, pray tell, was the point of your comment? on this thread? did you have one?
Sorry, I didn’t realize you were the thread police. I’ll remove my reply immediately.
They indicated that they were wondering how pro-AI people would feel:
I really sat there wondering how do pro AI people feel when they get an email/SMS like that.
“I’m for it, y’know? but not like that, and not like that either. but I’m for it, sure, sure”
I feel so informed, thanks for sharing your thoughtful position, so glad you took the time
No problem. Glad you appreciated it. Namaste.
did you come like this off the factory line, or did you have to work at it?
@froztbyte @31337 lol
damn, man, this is a gutpunch :| I’d be similarly dismayed
your friend who sends you audio recordings of them from various places they’re in sounds like a keeper - it’s great of them to share bits of their world with you in that manner :D
@froztbyte An absolute keeper, indeed!
@weirdwriter @techtakes @fuck_ai “it’s just easier”
I prefer a quick ‘happy birthday, I’m thinking of you and wish you the world’ than 3 pages of AI vomit.Happy birthday!
And sorry for your sad experience. Annoying how AI is degrading our supposedly genuine interactions (both by people using it like this, and people interpreting a honest message like AI (I do feel a bit sorry for all the people working in low level customer support who in addition to all the normal bullshit now have to deal with AI accusations for example)).
First off I’ll be clear: I wouldn’t like that either. This is a good moment to take a step back emotionally and clearly word out why slopbot birthday wishes suck.
Still I urge you to come from a place of care when you voice your opinion to your friend. LLMs going mainstream is a new thing so social codes relative to them haven’t had time to solidify. Moreover there are plenty of people feeling the pressure to adopt the chatbots lest they become irrelevant, or so they are led to fear. If you appreciate when friends’ imperfections show, they’re still right there.
Your friend has included things she likes about you in her prompt. For decades, people have gone through a similar process picking a birthday card. (I’m personally partial to dorky e-cards.) If I were you I wouldn’t sweat it too much.
“LLMs going mainstream is a new thing so social codes relative to them haven’t had time to solidify.”
Good argument for going max aggro, but I’d still use restraint here, despite the desperate need to establish norms of running people out of town with thrown wasp nests when they use an LLM.
@weirdwriter @techtakes @fuck_ai happy birthday 🎂
@webhat @techtakes @fuck_ai Thank you! Cookies and cakes ahoy! Yum!
Happy birthday !
why are so many posters falling over themselves to Dr Phil it up when OP didn’t ask for advice, fucking hell…
Thread police
fuckoff
one of our regulars gently telling you this is a weird thread for you to bring up fetlife is all the justification you needed to spam the whole thread with this shit? fuck off
the “I don’t see why not” was just … yeah
talk about not quite fucking getting it.
@froztbyte My theory is that they feel better giving advice rather than examining their feelings.
At a point in my life I too would have made this mistake. I have been oblivious to how the things I did would make others feel.
It is easy to want to write what we think the other person wants to hear from us, when the reality is that a single sentence that a person has taken the time and thought to write, is far more valuable than word noise generated from a plagiarism machine.I hope she understands, or you get a chance to explain that to her at some point.
oh and a belated happy birthday to you!
@nigel @techtakes @fuck_ai Oh yes! Thank you! I will explain to her soon, but thank you for commenting! I can’t find it now but someone else was thinking about all the insincere gifts they received from people, but at the moment, even those insincere gifts seem to be more thoughtful, but yes I will explain when it is a propper time.
ah, that sounds like my post over on mastodon
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Sometimes you need to be blunt, and just tell the other person how you feel. You don’t need to always understand your friend’s emotions and motivations thoroughly, and you’re allowed to disagree on things.
I’d tell this Karren:
“a happy birthday message, to me, is that you cared to put effort into something special for me. Even if the result is terrible”
It gets the point across, even if it can be difficult to say. That’s just how life is sometimes.
Putting this out there for the world to agree with you on how you dislike what she did? That doesn’t sound kind, nice or a thing a good friend would do. In fact it’s how some little kids fight in front of their parents.
She’ll probably call you back after what you did here
Happy Birthday dude. This blog post capures the modern online experience uncannily well
Ugh, good read yet sad content. The irony of complimenting your writing by using the antithesis of word choice and structure to express emotions. If she was looking to make it easier, then she saw your birthday message as a chore. Some friend.
Happy birthday! ♥
@inb4_FoundTheVegan Thank you! The truly sad thing is, because I know LLM’s so well, I even think I know the exact prompt she used. There was another person that said, well, she didn’t make it a generic thing. She put in her prompt that you were a writer. It doesn’t make it thoughtful. Thank you though for Yoyr happy Bday wish! I also came across this after so mine. Very similar https://mrgan.com/ai-email-from-a-friend/
I swear this guy is using AI to compose his responses to me on FetLife. Sometimes his intelligence, grammar, and typing just drop off a CLIFF. At first I thought it was just phone vs. keyboard, but the grammatical mistakes he is making aren’t the sort that you make because you’re on a phone, they’re the sort you make if you don’t even know English. It’s like he’s Cyrano de Bergeracing me.
valuable datapoint (in the scope of llms being used for scams and shit) but perhaps not quite the right post to reply to about that, tbh
I don’t see why not. It is a similar experience being the target of AI in the hands of a casual user, in a very personal domain, and invites further exploration of the emotional effects of that kind of interaction. The article was about emotions, not about technology. Now explain to me why my reply doesn’t belong.
They could be running it through language translation (as well)
was one of the things I thought of too but fet (and also dating/meeting apps) has a longstanding problem of people catfishing. on balance, suspect this form is the more likely case
As someone too cowardly to explore their kinks. I lack context. Now you have provided data to reinforce my reticence.
it’s … not endemic, in the sense of “you’ll hit it every 3 profiles” (because fet community + platform seems to do a reasonably good job of handling it from reports etc), but you can see why it’s the type of thing that creeps and predators go for
igwym re exploration. comfort, safety, trust, consent - all key. never do anything you don’t want to :)
It’s shocking that FetLife is managing to hold together as long as it has, as well as it has. Like everything it’s in decline, but it’s still a nice little slice of the golden age of the WWW. It may have a catphishing problem, but what it does not have is a Russian bot problem. It’s the only functional social network I’m on other than the Fediverse itself.
