• dlpkl@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      Anti-zionism =/= anti-semitism.

      Pro-Palestine =/= pro-Hamas.

      Anti-Hamas =/= Pro-Israel.

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        11 months ago

        Zionism = the belief that the Jewish people have the right of self-determination in the form of the state of Israel in which their national aspirations

        Anti-zionism = the belief that the Jewish people, uniquely among all the peoples of the world, have no right of self-determination or a state in which their national aspirations can be pursued.

        Can you see why that’s antisemitic?

        Israel is, besides all that, already established. Zionism was completed. It’s not going anywhere.

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          11 months ago

          Anti-zionism = the belief that the Jewish people, uniquely among all the peoples of the world, have no right of self-determination or a state in which their national aspirations can be pursued.

          I don’t believe in rights at all. I believe the existence of nation states is an abhorration. but neither of those are why you are wrong.

          antizionism is the belief that the Jewish people are part of a diaspora, and the creation of an Israeli state undermines that culture in addition to necessitating mass killing that is indistinguishable from genocide. antizionism simply opposes zionism, and makes no claims about denying rights to anyone.

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            11 months ago

            I believe the existence of nation states is an abhorration.

            But it’s only when the Jews claim the same right as every other people that you have a problem.

            Think about that for a minute.

            antizionism is the belief that the Jewish people are part of a diaspora, and the creation of an Israeli state undermines that culture in addition to necessitating mass killing that is indistinguishable from genocide. antizionism simply opposes zionism, and makes no claims about denying rights to anyone.

            This isn’t what Anti-Zionism is. It might be what you mean by it, but it isn’t Anti-Zionism. Partly because Zionism – and the establishment of an Israeli state – does not, and never has, necessitated mass killing.

            It does in fact make claims about rights – it specifically selects out Jews as the only people who are not entitled to self-determination and the aspiration to nationhood in a state of their own and in their homeland to which they are indigenous.

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              11 months ago

              Show me where all the white people are displacing and killing others so they can create their perfect ethno-state. Show me where black people are doing that too. While we are at it, let’s throw in every other ethnicity on the planet and see where their rightful ethnostates are.