Vote for the change you want to see.

The Republican party got remade because trumpists showed up and outvoted the party elites. No reason it can’t happen for the Left except for laziness and apathy.

If all the progressives furious about the state of affairs now had shown up for Sanders in 2016, I doubt we’d be in this hellish timeline. Sadly, he needed the young progressive vote to show up.

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    Maybe you don’t?

    Sanders didn’t win a majority of the votes so whether the super delegates would’ve over-ridden the votes is fairly irrelevant.

    You can argue it wasn’t a completely balanced playing field but there was nothing stopping us from winning the votes except for our refusal to show up rather than bitch online.

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      Iowa was a hair thin win for clinton, New Hampshire was an overwhelming win for Bernie.

      And that’s when they the DNC started fucking with the Bernie campaign. The superdelegates piling in was making it further impossible for Bernie to win.

      The DNC should just stop pretending it actually cares what it’s base thinks. it’s not like they’re legally obligated to run a primary anyway.

      Also. you do know that candidates in the primary rely on equal access to the voter rolls precisely to reach potential voters and turn out the vote, right? that database was what they DNC cut Bernie off of.

      what makes you think I didn’t vote for Bernie?

      “it wasn’t a level playing field, but you could have still won!” is such a bitchdick move, it’s hilarious. we will never know what Bernie could have done had they not interfered in the primary. Similarly we won’t know just how far the DNC would have gone to prevent a Bernie win.

      they did enough to break Bernie’s momentum and then Hilary fucking lost the main election. in part because she was an arrogant fool and ignored Michigan.

      people like you. You’re the people that practically gave trump the win on a silver platter.

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        The superdelegates weren’t bound to Clinton. If Sanders had kept winning the vote they’d be hard pressed to over-ride the people.

        I’m not saying you didn’t vote for Bernie, I’m saying not enough people did. This blaming superdelegates is nonsense. Democracy is dificult, people die just to make a protest vote but somehow the fact that Clinton had a lead in uncommitted delegates is too much of a burden? Give me a break. If you want a revolution but can’t actually get the majority of leftist voters to the polls, well, that’s on us.

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      Are you acknowledging that there was indeed foul play, just to then handwave it away and say no one should object to said foul play because we lost?

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        Nope. Maybe re-read the sentence carefully:

        The superdelegates weren’t bound to Clinton. If Sanders had kept winning the vote they’d be hard pressed to over-ride the people.

        At the end of the day, Sanders had 43% of the vote compared to Clinton’s 55%. That doesn’t involve super delegates, that’s just not enough progressives showed up to win. Pretty simple stuff.

        Like, I love the folks claiming we need a revolution etc are also stymied by the need to get the majority of Left leaning Americans to agree with them.

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      People like you are the reason Democrats can’t unite fyi, reducing problems of people who did exactly what you’re saying and got shat on once again

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      More young people voted in 2016 than ever before. We showed up. The boomers overwhelmed us.

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        Yup. Young votes don’t show up to the general or primaries at anywhere near the same rate as boomers. And sadly, democracy caters more to those who vote.