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        Apparently those Mussolini style of speeches and the other 50 or so political suicides did not really matter as much as you would think. No matter the outcome this being this close I think spells the end of the USA as a rational power.

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    Im more impressed than terrified. Choosing a guy who cheated on his wife instead of decrimanalised marijuana AND better healthcare. How???

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    The national identity of being Canadian over the last while has been every four years wondering if the downstairs neighbors are going to decide to restart up the meth lab they keep tinkering with and bracing for the sounds of domestic violence to resume.

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        Not saying our shit doesn’t stink but there’s a certain matter of scale to consider. Leastaways we don’t have nukes we can hand over to the psychopath we are looking at voting in.

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      You’ve described exactly how I feel. And of course, the shit down south is affecting us up here, we have our own lunatic conservatives like Doug Ford, Milhouse and Bernier who aspire to be like the GOP.

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        Conservatism is a worldwide problem and they all borrow each other’s notes. It’s not going to be a fun time for us coming up. I can only hope that when the shit hits the fan down there those up here start rethinking their bullshit.

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    Yeah its one thing if youre a trump supporter because then you are just a sheep but i actually dont understand whats going on in the head if those who have to think about the decision

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    I’m really hoping Harris wins, and we can make politics boring again. I know that if Trump wins, we’ll hear about all the insanity he will put in place for the next four years.

    Sure, if he loses, Trump will cry foul, but that doesn’t have the same legs as it would if he wins.

    I just want Trump to be some washed out TV “celebrity” and politics to be as entertaining as it always is: not very.

    I’m not American and all I hear about right now is American politics. Y’all need to figure your shit out.

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      You are out of your mind, my friend and so far removed from reality. What insanity are you even referring to? America needs rehabilitation, and we’re not getting that with Harris, who has presented herself as utterly clueless in just about all her media interactions. It’s absolutely bonkers how the seemingly majority of people here on Lemmy can’t see this. Yikes! Glad to see the blue wall coming down as I type this.

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      If Trump loses, that dissolves the Trump cult and the next Trump that comes along will just be compared to Trump

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        I wouldn’t count on that. These are cultists who are ready to deify Trump and start sending people to the camps. I don’t think losing an election will change the fundamental cult dynamic, or the hatred and anger that has been organized within the cult. We are stuck with this bullshit probably for the rest of our lives, one way or the other.

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      Trump is not the problem. Trump is the symptom. The problem is a somewhat powerful minority faction in the US actively pushing to dismantle our democracy. Project 2025 wasn’t written by Trump and didn’t write itself.

      Harris’ win is step 1. We then need to push to shore up our democracy and prevent a more cunning trump replacement.

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        Plus he’s proven that having a cult of personality works, and caused a notable shift in the US Republican party.

        For all we know, that might be a permanent change, rather than a temporary one.

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          I’m just hoping that there’s no one with his “charisma.” Thankfully everyone else scummy enough to be in the GOP is a wet rag in comparison to him so far. He may be a piece of shit, but a con man “confidence man” he most definitely is.

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        Watch the movie “Bad Faith”. It lays it all out.

        Tl;Dr: It’s pretty much entirely the fault of Evangelicals.

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      If Trump wins, the world will become a way less hospitable place even faster. This is literally the fight for the last resources, and the 1% wants it all. Trump is a Billionaire enabler… nothing else.

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    As an American:

    AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

    inhales

    AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

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    Americans are watching this too and wondering what the fuck is wrong with our fellow Americans. This should not even be close.

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      I’m really hoping that it isn’t close and that the polls were lying “just to make it interesting”

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      America is a fascist nation dripping in right wing propaganda.

      If we elect Trump a second time, the only people who can express shock are the ones who have never seen a neighbor wave a Confederate flag, brandish a Blue Lives Punisher logo, have FOX News blasting away in the living room, or demand you laugh at their joke full of ethnic slurs.

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          Ok maybe you’re not a fascist country, but you’ve been dipping your toes in the fascism pool for decades, just waiting for the water to be warm enough.

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      Yeah, I really can’t believe Harris is even a viable option. This should be a Trump landslide. 🫡

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      Maybe don’t turn important political processes into a sports match. Try a little logos with your ethos.

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    With electoral reform, we could have more then two artificially limited options. We could have competition in our elections. We could be free…

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      But currently you aren’t and the options are damage control or burning the house down…

      • A French person that was in a similar position a few monthes ago.
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        Great point. If Americans don’t like their options, they should spare a thought for French progressives holding their nose and voting for Macron, over and over and over.

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          Eeeeeeh I’m not going to compare Macron and Harris. She’s not been a stepping stool for the R again and again and again.

          I was referring to our last legislative election (think Congress if you need an American point of reference). It happened last summer and Left wing voters had to make a coalition up to the socialist party and the greens which are our centrist parties.

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            She’s not been a stepping stool for the R again and again and again.

            She’s campaigning with Mike Bloomberg, Jeff Flake, and Liz Cheney. I’ve seen nothing to suggest she’s learned from Clinton or Obama in this regard.

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      I think the first, most realistic progress we can make is to get a few more states to sign the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. It’s a agreement between state legislature to assign their electors based on the national popular vote, and it automatically goes into effect once enough states have signed on to guarantee 270 electoral votes.

      It bypasses the need to pass a constitutional ammendment that is functionally impossible to get through.

      And it’s within grasp. Enough states have already signed on for 209 of the 270 threshold (Maine just signed it into law in April), with several states pending for another 50 (e.g. Nevada is waiting on governor’ssignature).

      We’re shockingly close to killing the electoral college, and nobody seems to know about it.

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      Don’t romanticise it. You’ll still have a small number of options in total, and you’ll be unlikely to shake the dominance of the 2 major parties. You’ll still worry about “wasting” your vote on a party who will get low representation. You’ll still be disappointed when the centre left don’t do anything meaningful. You’ll still be powerless when the right hold government. You’ll still have trouble finding someone you want to vote for.

      Yes it’s better, but it’s not Paradise.

      Source: Lived in New Zealand under MMP for five electoral cycles.

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        As a NZr, I agree. But it does make smaller third parties viable. In NZ, Greens, ACT and NZ First are all third parties where a vote is not wasted if their block wins

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    The worst one for me is that there’s some chode near me that displays a flag on his house fucking bragging that he’s voting for a convicted felon.

    They’re proud of the fact that they’re supporting a criminal, and I bet they’d be ok with him if he was an open Nazi as well (they’re just fine with the same tactics and having literal Nazi flag wavers in their midst).

    • 𝕾𝖕𝖎𝖈𝖞 𝕿𝖚𝖓𝖆@lemmy.world
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      Adam Conover’s last video changed my view on the shock. They’re not voting for him despite his bad qualities. They’re voting for him because of his bad qualities. Telling them he’s a Nazi and a felon and blah blah blah will reinforce their idea that he’s the right guy. When people who worked in his government come out against him, the response is, “Of course they did. They’re part of the swamp we’re trying to drain.”

      Reason is dead. We’re never going to convince these people that Trump is unfit for the job and a horrible human being. It’s time to stop being so shocked these people exist. They always have and will continue to exist. All we can do is show up and end the man’s political career.

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        I understand them. I’m not American, and I’m something like a middle class so I’d vote for blue. And most of the people here probably think the same, we have that echo chamber. But if I were poor as I was most of my life, and that’s like most of the people voting, I’d vote red.

        The reasoning is that both of the candidates don’t address the main problems of the society, the last one to do it was Bernie, before him I don’t even know, not Obama though.

        The problems are education, healthcare, worker rights. You may say the Dem Presidents tried to do something about it but they didn’t and actually didn’t even try, the problems weren’t solved, they are actually worse(not because of their actions, their “actions” really didn’t matter and were just for show).

        During Trump life got worse, during Biden life got worse, even during Obama life got worse, and now they suggest which kind of “life will get worse” to choose. So as a poor I’d pick the option that’s closer to destroying the system altogether than the option that will just make me more miserable to choose another miserable option in 4 years.

        I heard a lot(fuck, A LOT) here how Trump will make himself a dictator and destroy the system but if one stupid clown can do it may be it’s the government system that’s bad. Really bad. And maybe you should address that issue but nobody does.

        Maybe you should address the problems that make the people vote for a fucking clown instead of just labelling them stupid.

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          I heard a lot(fuck, A LOT) here how Trump will make himself a dictator and destroy the system but if one stupid clown can do it may be it’s the government system that’s bad. Really bad. And maybe you should address that issue but nobody does.

          I don’t think it is as simple as that. Fox “News” has been informing republicans’ world view for like 30 years. The Supreme Court has basically been taken over by partisan Republicans, which is super ironic given how long and loudly republicans railed against “activist” judges.

          Much of the used-to-be credible media is now owned by billionaires. Even the ones that aren’t want to at least keep their access in the event of a Trump win.

          Trump did significant damage in his first term, but, as the cliche says, “the guardrails held”. Thing is, he learned both about those guardrails AND which people he could trust to choose him over the Constitution.

          So, yeah, there are things that should be done to make the system more resilient to internal attack, but without significant time and effort, no majority of USA citizens will every be convinced to support that sort of change.

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          The problem is we have to take a hard left turn to get to a place where we can address any problems

          …. But I’m not totally buying this argument. The one big change we were able to get through to make people’s lives easier was the Affordable Care Act (ACA). Statistically it made a huge difference in the lives of millions, especially lower middle and income to poor citizens. Yet somehow they kept electing people promising to repeal it, usually without even the concept of how to replace it. Do you really want millions of people going back to no medical coverage? Do you really want to be paying for coverage that can reject you on a hint of “previous conditions”? Sorry, but how is this anything but stupid?

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        It’s all very Dunning-Kruger. A huge part of the crazy conservative personality seems to be thinking YOU are the smart one in a sea of sheep, and that everything is a conspiracy.

        So when Trump is getting convicted, looking like an idiot, and has most of the civilized world against him? SO much evidence of the conspiracy and the system trying to save itself from the great disruptor! It’s like reality itself is bending over backwards to make the chosen one look like an irredeemable pile of shit!

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        Mark Robinson in NC just messed up because he was saying the quiet part out loud, or at least on porn message boards. Oh, and he was black.

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          As an NC resident I was incredulous at the turnaround that happened after that all came out. I thought for sure he was going to end up being a shoo-in for victory. I can’t walk ten feet without seeing Trump shit everywhere, and I live in the middle of a city. These folks should have loved Robinson even more than they love supply-side Jesus.