No, we really don’t. We have to blame the people voting for trump or being apathetic about not voting. Throw in some Russian trolling, some Meta and X bullshit and we get a pretty shitty stew. Oh yeah, and the sexists and racists too.
He’s saying that if you lose, you’re a loser. No one, absolutely no one, wins all the time. We won with Biden, an older white father figure. We won with a black man for 8 years.
I voted for Harris. I’m a progressive who has voted a straight blue ticket in every election.
That doesn’t change reality. I’ve donated thousands of dollars to this party and it is incapable of winning. A political party that can’t win, can’t make policy. That’s not me being a sour bastard, that’s just reality and also me being a sour bastard.
How fun I am or not doesn’t change the fact that this party has been on a losing streak for decades.
As the republicans have embraced less and less popular policy positions they’ve also won more governorships, state houses, the senate, the house, the White House, the Supreme Court. Even when democrats do manage to pull together a win they cobble it together with blue dogs and then use that fact to excuse not making progress.
The cornerstone piece of legislation we’ve gotten from them in my lifetime has been the ACA. And sure it’s better than what we had, but it’s literally romneycare. The best piece of legislation we can point to from our party was literally workshopped by the heritage foundation.
The thing I’m getting tired of is losing. Then being told, we lost because the voters voted wrong. Next time they should vote better even though the party is going to do everything the same way, money please!
It is their fault. As for what to do different? Easy. The next time they have a lot of grassroots energy behind a populist (like Bernie), they should try NOT completely ratfucking them to protect their corporate overlords.
I’m talking big picture. The working class has been clearly pissed about the economy for a long time and the DNC left that void for Trump to fill because they don’t actually want progressive economic change. So I see all of this as the inevitable repercussions of the DNC’s major fuck up in 2016 (and 2020) - when they made it very clear they would do everything they could to prevent a true progressive from winning.
As for this last election in particular: they could have tried to pressure Biden to drop out much earlier, actually hold a proper primary, and lean into their base instead of trying to court the middle-right like they always do.
They did try to pressure Biden, he said no. Not enough time once he decided to drop out to have a primary. Biden won with r’s, she didn’t have a chance if she didn’t because of the electoral college. Anything else?
The job of the party and the candidate is to win. They failed. It is not the voters job to cause the party to win, it is the party’s job to cause the voters to vote.
No, we really don’t. We have to blame the people voting for trump or being apathetic about not voting. Throw in some Russian trolling, some Meta and X bullshit and we get a pretty shitty stew. Oh yeah, and the sexists and racists too.
Classic
A party that can’t win has no value.
The party’s job is to articulate a platform that appeals to apathetic voters.
The party’s job is to articulate a platform that energizes a large enough part of the population to vote them in.
If a party advances positions that can’t win elections, then the party has failed in its primary purpose.
Wow, I bet you’re fun at a football game. Who did you vote for?
It’s not a fucking game, you little shit.
You’re discussing politics, he’s contributing. This isn’t a football game and you have a fragile ego.
He’s saying that if you lose, you’re a loser. No one, absolutely no one, wins all the time. We won with Biden, an older white father figure. We won with a black man for 8 years.
I voted for Harris. I’m a progressive who has voted a straight blue ticket in every election.
That doesn’t change reality. I’ve donated thousands of dollars to this party and it is incapable of winning. A political party that can’t win, can’t make policy. That’s not me being a sour bastard, that’s just reality and also me being a sour bastard.
How fun I am or not doesn’t change the fact that this party has been on a losing streak for decades.
As the republicans have embraced less and less popular policy positions they’ve also won more governorships, state houses, the senate, the house, the White House, the Supreme Court. Even when democrats do manage to pull together a win they cobble it together with blue dogs and then use that fact to excuse not making progress.
The cornerstone piece of legislation we’ve gotten from them in my lifetime has been the ACA. And sure it’s better than what we had, but it’s literally romneycare. The best piece of legislation we can point to from our party was literally workshopped by the heritage foundation.
The thing I’m getting tired of is losing. Then being told, we lost because the voters voted wrong. Next time they should vote better even though the party is going to do everything the same way, money please!
Biden won and so did Obama, a black man. How quickly we forget?
All of you shitting on the DNC and saying it’s all their fault, what would you do differently?
It is their fault. As for what to do different? Easy. The next time they have a lot of grassroots energy behind a populist (like Bernie), they should try NOT completely ratfucking them to protect their corporate overlords.
Bernie wasn’t even trying for it this time? I mean what would you do different this time, lol.
I’m talking big picture. The working class has been clearly pissed about the economy for a long time and the DNC left that void for Trump to fill because they don’t actually want progressive economic change. So I see all of this as the inevitable repercussions of the DNC’s major fuck up in 2016 (and 2020) - when they made it very clear they would do everything they could to prevent a true progressive from winning.
As for this last election in particular: they could have tried to pressure Biden to drop out much earlier, actually hold a proper primary, and lean into their base instead of trying to court the middle-right like they always do.
They did try to pressure Biden, he said no. Not enough time once he decided to drop out to have a primary. Biden won with r’s, she didn’t have a chance if she didn’t because of the electoral college. Anything else?
The job of the party and the candidate is to win. They failed. It is not the voters job to cause the party to win, it is the party’s job to cause the voters to vote.