• RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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    1 hour ago

    Well yes. Everyone knew trump was going to be worse for the Palestinians. Except for the people who wanted you to hate the democrats more and not vote and wanted you to ignore that.

  • ProtecyaTec@lemmy.world
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    3 hours ago

    Sure is going to be difficult to enact change when met with a regime that wants to regress. Hope that y’all who didn’t vote are happy with the outcome cause I sure ain’t.

  • AliSaket@mander.xyz
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    3 hours ago

    Other than this meme ridiculously implying that if only the pro-Palestine vote would have gone to Harris instead of Trump, then Harris would have won (two ridiculous claims not backed by the reality of the data): Can we please stop with that notion, that the Democrats are trying to stop what’s going on in Palestine and finally see it as the US foreign policy that it is? Who has the power in that relationship? Without the US, Israel has a fraction of its weapons, billions of dollars less for their own civil programs and no shielding from international law. Don’t act like the Biden administration has been genuinely trying to stop a genocide, when they:

    • are supplying weapons (Biden even circumventing congress in at least one case)
    • continuing payments
    • are spreading debunked Israeli propaganda even after they’re debunked while ignoring or actively delegitimizing information to the contrary
    • actively bomb the Huthi’s who attack ships headed for Israel (also with weapons)
    • vetoing or threatening to veto anything that furthers international law on that matter in the Security Council
    • diplomatically and threatingly shielding Israeli threats to the ICC and ICJ
    • actively delegitimize the ICJ and their decisions openly
    • are threatening countries with sanctions if they don’t adopt outrageous laws and standards redefining anti-semitism and cracking down
    • are pressuring countries to tow the line with zionist support
    • … (list is not extensive)

    This behavior isn’t new. International law didn’t matter, when the US offensively brought death and destruction to Afghanistan and Iraq and as a result again in Iraq and Syria. Or when they did the same with the EU in Lybia,. Or when they supplied Saudi Arabia with weapons and support for their genocide in Yemen, and are supplying Egypt with weapons and support for their water war in Sudan, which has seen atrocity after atrocity in its wake. This isn’t even an extensive list of just this century.

    They aren’t trying to stop it. All the public lip-service is but theater as are the negotiations. Which should become clear at the latest, when Israel assassinates their negotiating partners and then the US claims, that there is no one from the other side joining the table…

  • MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml
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    3 hours ago

    Fuck around: do genocide, ignore your base who are apalled by genocide

    Find out: lose election

    If you want to keep losing, keep doing this same shit. Most liberals seem like they would rather lose than agree with online leftists.

  • Iceman@lemmy.world
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    4 hours ago

    Why are Liberals are taking expedited genocide of Palestinas as consultation price?

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    8 hours ago

    ignores core voter issues

    spends entire campaign talking about how opponent is worse

    Tells entire uncommitted voter base to fuck off

    “Why did the voters do this to us? Those must be 10 million russian/maga/chinese shills in disguise.”

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    Libs would rather cry for months about how they completely botched an election than do anything to stop a genocide.

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    I’m never voting Democrat again. You had 13 months to stop the genocide but you didn’t, allowing it to be passed on to Trump.

    Trump says the quiet part out loud. But we have Biden recorded privately saying he’d kill Arab women and children all the way back in 1982. His unconditional support of the genocide proves he hasn’t changed since.

    We didn’t vote for Harris because we knew you weren’t going to pushback on the genocide with her as president just like you didn’t when Biden was president. Now you’re blaming us for Trump despite that all Arab and Muslim American voters still won’t give Harris the 10 million votes she needs to win the popular vote let alone the electoral college.

  • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
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    10 hours ago

    I’m sure some of these strawman exist in a field somewhere keeping the crows away.

    Democrats need to get rid of First Past The Post voting in the blue states they control. Time to admit they need help and shouldn’t be going alone against the republicans

    More democracy. More chances to defeat the republicans. More people engaged and involved in the political process.
    More people voting = more votes for democrats. More chances of republicans electing a more moderate candidate.

    Electoral reform is an absolute win for the people of this country. Except for the legacy poltical parties. They will unfortunately have to compete for your vote. If they are unable to stay relevant, that’s on them for becoming weak and frail using FPTP as a crutch.

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      Why would the democratic party want democracy? The people in positions of power in the party got a lot of great fundraising this cycle, and they’ll be able to use the threat of this incoming disaster to raise even more!

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    There isn’t 20 million pro-Palestinian people in the US. You liberals don’t want to admit it, but it was YOU who stayed home on Election Day. You made all that fuss about us needing to elect your YASS QUEEN SLAY corporate-funded DEI “hashtag ally” plutocrat, then didn’t even have the decency to get off your fat fucking asses, and skip brunch and your wine break for one fucking day to actually do your civic duty and vote.

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    Lay it off with blaming people who are mad at Democrats about Gaza for Trump. Honestly, it’s tired, inaccurate, and wrong. Trump won the popular vote. The Dems ran a shitty campaign, they had no message, and failed to inspire 10 million of their previous voters.

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      11 hours ago

      20% of the population is functionally illiterate in any language, an no one could out simplify Trump’s simplified language, ‘I good, she bad’.

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        11 hours ago

        Hard pills for Dems to swallow: there is only one cure of Right Populism, and it’s Left Populism.

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          No, surely it’s more special interest and foreign funding. If they had gotten just a bit more money from AIPAC, they could have won!

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              Oh shit I forgot. It would be literal genocide not to let them launder taxpayer money they got given to them by Congress back into democrats pockets!

              You gotta think about those poor white Europeans in Israel! They have it way worse than any group in history, ever.

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      11 hours ago

      Why? That category of people objectively exists and that category of people objectively chose this and that category of people objectively made an illogical decision against their own interests. Nowhere in the meme is it saying “all voters are in this category”, it’s simply indicating this category of voter exists which is objectively true.

      • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
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        With a more representative electoral system, these people you wish to suffer because you dislike them would be able to vote for a political party that best represents them while still counting their vote against the republicans.

        Why are you okay with your fellow country men/women/and more being under represented by First-past-the-post voting?

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        Why?

        Because it absolves the Democratic Party of its responsibility. They said this election was about preserving democracy. Then they didn’t do EVERYTHING THEY COULD to get every last person hyped to vote for them. Instead, they complacently chose to ignore the legitimate concerns of a whole number of constituencies. They offered nothing to counter Right Populism. No grand vision, nothing to inspire anyone. They even leashed Walz, for fuck’s sake. They let Trump waltz around in Michigan pandering to muslims while either doing fuck all or kicking their own muslim democratic leaders out of their rallies. The. Democrats. Fucked. Up. Stop blaming the voters, blame the Democrats. Otherwise, if your country has fair elections in 4 years, you’ll have the same fucking problem all over again.

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          Voters are smart enough to analyze that a man promising to let Putin do what he wants and let Israel eradicate Palestine is worse for both wars than the person who pledges to support Ukraine and keep trying to stop the massacre in Gaza. This meme is about single issue voters who care about that, and the answer was obvious. You could argue the entirety of the 10m voters were impacted by what you’re arguing but what you’re arguing is not relevant to this meme. It’s just shouting at the internet that a third party didn’t do things exactly the way you wanted it to.

    • meliaesc@lemmy.world
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      12 hours ago

      You truly believe there’s nothing else at play? Being in the midst of a pandemic in 2020 had no part in voter turnout?

      • Euphorazine@lemmy.world
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        12 hours ago

        A lot of states expanded mail in voting. Probably removed a pretty large barrier of people who’d rather stay home than wait in line.