All the people who were screeching to abandon Harris because of Gaza seem awfully quiet now
Gosh but I heard that all genocide is equal and Biden is literally the devil. Do you mean that having a meaningful impact on whether Palestinians live or die was worth swallowing my pride and voting for Harris? But isn’t my ideal that no Palestinian should die more important than actually saving the lives of Palestinians?
/s I absolutely can’t fucking stand people who were unable to realize that less harm would, in fact, be less harmful.
You say “unable to realize”, I say “intentionally pushed a false narrative to increase voter apathy”.
Especially since many of them refused to engage any discussion on how much worse Trump would be.
It’s a combination of both. Lots of useful idiots. Just see that thing AOC did to find out why people would split the vote with her and Trump.
People in this country are straight up dangerously stupid.
I have a feeling a lot of them were not American. The bot farms are quiet now because they got what they wanted.
Too bad the actual fascist Americans who elected Trump are still with you. It’s always someone else’s fault not America’s.
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Or they are just quiet because they realize they’ve placed Gaza into the hands of Netanyahu’s allies in the US and there’s literally no way to defend this outcome.
“They” didn’t. All of America did. I still don’t understand how anyone thinks Gaza had anything with Harris’s loss. I very much doubt the 10 million non/protest voters all didn’t vote for Harris because of Gaza, or that there are even 10 million people in the US that care about Gaza enough to accept another Trump term.
Not attempting to assign blame. But we all have to live with the reality of our choices now.
they’ve placed Gaza into the hands of Netanyahu’s allies in the US
You don’t remember this guy?
I hope that makes you feel better when Rubio gives up all pretense of even wanting a ceasefire.
Well it’s not like Biden/Harris actually tried for a ceasefire. There’s really not much change other than the quiet part being said out loud.
Not much change yet… like I said in another thread, let’s just save this comment and revisit it in 2025, shall we?
The escalations we’re going to see over the coming months were going to happen with a Republican as President or Democrat. The past 13 months has shown Israel can get away with virtually whatever they want. They were never intending on stopping regardless of the outcome of the election.
Keep telling yourself that. It might help you sleep at night.
What in the past 13 months that has happened makes you believe the Democrats were holding the Israelis back?
Yeah that cease fire Biden negotiated was way better!
Oh, wait.
Don’t try to pop their cope bubble.
Are they? I see the comments still full of them.
All the russian trolls? They’ve moved on. The America job is completed.
For those uninformed link to that R site
Nah, they’re clamoring for Biden to hurry up and stop shipment of arms to Israel and get the ceasefire some before Trump gets into office. Too little to late guys, Israel won’t care, won’t do shit now that they know trump won.
We’ve been clamoring for it since Biden first bypassed congress to directly send them weapons and money after October.
Israel has never cared so far and gotten away with everything, so nothing has changed there.
You just keep thinking that both sides are bad even when one party, despite its flaws, tried to push for peace and the other side publicly expressed genocide is the preferred solution.
Good luck on the upcoming year in affecting change!
The Democratic Party preferred to lose to a fascist over taking the election seriously and pushing for peace. Biden, who is a Christian Zionist, continues to send billions worth of weapons unconditionally, nothing about withholding military weapons to reign Israel in to a permanent ceasefire. Harris didn’t break from Biden on policy at all, ran on unwaivering support for Israel, ignored Palestinian victims and all the Americans that has directly affected, and campaigned instead on the most lethal Military in the world with Liz Cheney. It would’ve taken more policy changes than just on Israel to win the popular vote, but just that one policy change would’ve made them far more likely to win the swing states and electorial college
Imagine believing that genocide joe has been pushing for peace.
That and Israel doesn’t NEED our weapons to keep doing what they’re doing, they never have.
Cutting them off only makes them weaker should they be attacked by Iran and does nothing to stop the genocide.
That and Israel doesn’t NEED our weapons to keep doing what they’re doing, they never have.
Uh… Seriously look up what political scientists have to say about this. Israel uses too much, well, everything compared to what they can produce themselves.
Cutting them off only makes them weaker should they be attacked by Iran
And how is that a bad thing? Israel wouldn’t be able to do this shit if the US wasn’t protecting it from its neighbors.
Israel is, depending on who’s counting, between the 8th and 10th largest weapons dealer in the world
https://globelynews.com/world/world-top-arms-exporting-countries/amp/
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-share-global-arms-exports-2022/
They don’t need our help executing a people they have spent decades marginalizing.
Okay, so if they need it, don’t provide it, don’t be complacent in genocide.
The lengths people will go to defend the US for Israel is insane.
Oh, we should have stopped providing aid to Israel decades ago, but that won’t stop the genocide.
Cutting them off only makes them weaker should they be attacked by Iran
That’s pretty much the best way to get them to stop, let them face repercussions. So you’ve already proven that point false.
That guy is already beating his wife, if I stop giving him hammers to do it with, that other guy that’s pissed off about it all might do something bad
should they be attacked by Iran
Well maybe on opposite day.
I mean, it’s only happened a couple of times already…
I mean what’s there to say? Yeah we know Trump fucking sucks what do you want them to do? There’s barely anything to say when he hasn’t done anything ywt.
He already said he’s giving Israel a blank cheque. Not sure how that’s “nothing”
Okay that’s fair I didn’t know that, but still the only thing that can be said about that is “Trump bad”, which we all already know.
It was all too predictable.
Donvict is in the pocket of the magaforbrainz that think Jews have to be in Israel to bring about the sick fantasy from their book club. Even if he doesn’t actually believe in xtianity at all…
Anticolonialist turned into a puff of smoke immediately after the election.
I’m pretty sure they were just banned. This place has become somewhat of a lib echo chamber.
Or they were a Russian bot.
The difference here isn’t in policy but in honesty.
Everyone pointing at people that didn’t vote for Harris over Gaza like this is some gotcha moment are totally missing the point. If Gaza was your primary concern (like if you and your family are Palestinian perhaps) neither candidate was going to do anything for you at all. Harris paid a tiny bit of lip service to Gaza two days before the election after months of shutting down and ignoring everyone demanding ceasefire.
I voted Harris purely out of harm reduction, but she offered nothing to anyone on the left. The DNC assumes everyone that is queer or bipoc or a woman owes them their vote and then used the platform to court non-existent center right voters.
But nah, let’s pretend that Harris, who took Biden’s positions wholesale, would have done something different as if they weren’t currently in power. Let’s pretend they would have done something to restore abortion rights too, or tackle climate change or raise the minimum wage when they’re so busy trying to get fascist votes and not piss off the coporate donor class.
The Democratic party needs to be rebuilt from scratch or not rebuilt at all.
Everyone pointing at people that didn’t vote for Harris over Gaza like this is some gotcha moment are totally missing the point.
Yes, yes. We get your “point”. Harris’s policy on Gaza was bad, so of course the clear solution was to hand the Presidency to someone who would make it worse. To send a message.
Good job, guys. Your message was loud and clear. I’m sure that in 2028, Democrats might have a slightly more pro-Palestine agenda. Maybe. Until they realize there’s a hell of a lot more Jewish voters that would be even more pissed off. Lesson learned. I’m sure the people of Palestine who will lose their land, their families, and their lives between now and then will take solace in knowing that you sacrificed their lives on their behalf to send a political message in a country 5000 miles away. I’m sure that’s exactly what they wanted.
Except that basically every angle except geopolitics, MIC profits, and AIPAC money, pointed towards curbing Israel/Bibi as a a good move. Even a free and independent Palestine has supermajority support - from a Nov-Oct poll of American Jewish voters:
Jewish voters… priorities include a major speech proposing a Palestinian state and diplomatic relations between Israel and Arab states (72 percent) and increasing humanitarian aid to Palestinians (71 percent). There is also significant support (66 percent) for sanctioning Israeli ministers Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich for aiding violent settler attacks against Palestinians.
Emphasis mine. Review the data if you care, but the continuation of Bidens policies was a huge self own. Resolve the issue and Republicans/Russian messaging of ‘Genocide Joe’ falls flat.
Those Palestinians were going to lose their land, families and lives either way. Biden has done nothing to stop Israel, neither would Harris. She made it abundantly clear that “protecting” Israel was more important than stopping genocide.
Gaza didn’t cost Harris the election. Maybe Michigan, but even that’s a stretch. Democrats lost ground in literally every demographic other than 100k+ income because, again, they campaigned to the right and offered absolutely nothing to the left.
If Harris told any other assumed Democratic group to fuck off this hard, nobody would be surprised they didn’t vote for her. If she ran as pro-life to court Trumpers and her support from women collapsed we wouldn’t be screaming about them getting in line, we’d be talking about Harris betraying those voters. This is no different, it just affects a far smaller voting bloc that people feel comfortable scapegoating.
Those Palestinians were going to lose their land, families and lives either way. Biden has done nothing to stop Israel, neither would Harris. She made it abundantly clear that “protecting” Israel was more important than stopping genocide.
Let’s be realistic. Israel could raze Palestine any time it wants. They have the backing of the US and a vastly superior military. If Israel thought Biden and Harris would support Israel annexing the West Bank, they’d have done it over a year ago. In fact, they specifically said they’re annexing the West Bank because they have Trump’s backing.
If you were going to lose your land, would you rather lose your land X months or years from now, knowing you at least have a roof over your head until then and being able to hold on to the hope that maybe things might get better, or would you rather just wake up tomorrow with a giant orange bulldozer gleefully running over your house? Saying “It was going to happen anyway” is not only demonstrably false, but also doesn’t mean that the solution to that problem is making it happen faster. If Israel were going to annex the west bank under a Biden administration, he’d have done it already.
Israel is currently genociding Palestinians under a Democratic president, they didn’t need Trump’s approval for anything. The bulldozers are already running, the people are already having their lives destroyed.
Again, I voted Harris for harm reduction, so I see your point about Harris possibly being better for Gaza in the long run, but it’s not “kill my friends now” or “kill my friends later” it’s “kill my friends now” or “kill my friends now and maybe, just maybe, stop sometime around the midterms when it’s politically convenient and only if Harris doesn’t need to keep getting the fascist vote”. I don’t blame Gaza voters for looking at that choice and holding out for what they really want, which is “stop killing my friends now”.
that Harris, who took Biden’s positions wholesale
Except for the instances where she moved further to the right, like on capital gains tax.
You know, you should have read this before you claim Harris offered nothing to anyone on the left: https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/sep/30/kamala-harris-2024-campaign-promises-here-are-her/
Everything on that list is typical neoliberal Democrat tinkering around the edges while the world burns.
It’s not that the individual ideas are bad, it’s that they have no vision of a better future for most people. Where is Medicare For All? Where is tuition free college? Where is anything that isn’t just a bandaid for a specific paper cut when the whole goddam country is being devoured by fascists and corporations?
That’s the meat I’m talking about - something that millions of people on the left could vote for in self interest. What we got was meat for checks notes non-Medicare diabetics.
Something, something Republicans are peacemakers.
Well, you can’t be at war against an enemy that doesn’t exist. If there are no more palestinians, you can’t be at war with them.
Peace through annihilation
Let them who are most pro-war get to fight on the front lines.
Idc if it’s a one sided genocide, this fluffy politician who wouldn’t last a 3 mile ruck should get to experience wtf he’s actually advocating.
Come on, you know the most pro war are the fat cats and their kin that will never be anywhere near the front lines.
Wouldn’t it be nice though.
Something, something, “Genocide Joe”, argle bargle, bOtHsIdEs, people!
Gaza protest voters: shocked Pikachu face.
Something something, “I’m a lib who supports genocide” arhajkhja aisodjaiso It’s the voters who are wrong!
I’ll keep repeating it: only those feeble minded enough to be manipulated by our foreign adversaries bought into that bullshit.
Nothing else convinces me that we live amongst NPCs more than liberal voter apathy over the war in Gaza.
lol what the fuck else could anyone expect? He’s an invertebrate.
Proposed Secretary of State is against Gaza cease fire.
You reap what you sow, kids!
The continued ongoing genocide of the Palestinians as materially aided by US politicians on both sides of the aisle?
A few very vocal
dumbfucksusers of the last months need to be tagged here.Is that honesty an improvement over biden pretending that he’s working on a peace plan for more than a year?
This is just pure, unadulterated ignorance, on full display for the world to see.
Good thing Biden wasn’t on the ballot… Ya fucked up, and everybody fucking told you, nay, pleaded with you.
