• Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
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    doesn’t like capitalism

    only wants state enforcers of capitalism to be armed

    I think that makes you inconsistent

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      I presume in his ideal country there is no capitalism, and as such state enforcers don’t enforce capitalism, but enforce whatever he is thinking of

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      I don’t see how law enforcement and profit driven market are inseparable concepts.

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        It’s entirely possible for a state to enforce laws without it being capitalist, however what I thought was a weird inconsistency was to posture as ‘opposed to capitalism’ but pro cops/military having guns without anybody else having them.

        I don’t relish the idea of people having to take up arms against the government, but I certainly don’t want militarized police to be the only ones with them either.

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          If all the citizens are trained in the defense of the nation, then both things can be true. There’s only so many fighters jets, tanks, and nuclear bombs to go around, so the stewardship of those assets is going to fall to a trusted committee anyway (an organized military), but that’s logistics, not politics.

          What does such a society do with conscientious objectors and Pacificsts? Hopefully value their option as a source of diversity and honor their choices.

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      well you need the police to enforce the law. how can you have a country without laws?

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        Sometimes laws are bad and should be broken, if you’re going to advocate taking guns away from normal people at least take them away from the pigs too.

        Having armed police showing up to evict people (possibly leaving them homeless) because the banks not getting its payments is a pretty severe power assymetry.

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        In some developed nations, even the beat cops are disarmed and only their equivalent of SWAT response teams are.

        Law enforcement are seen as community emmisaries, you can walk up to a British cop in a corner with no fear of them shooting you over a misunderstanding.

        This actually helps those police to be seen in a positive light by society.

        I see this as an appropriate compromise. Mitigates the potential for casual police shootings with only 1-2 law enforcement witnesses.

        But American police, while paid a lot for very little education, don’t want to take ANY risks despite explicitly being paid to. They aren’t even in the top 20 most dangerous professions in the US.

        https://www.ishn.com/articles/112748-top-25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-united-states

        They use their militarized equipment to shoot until everyone’s dead, then ask the corpses questions, instead of doing their jobs and protecting citizens with their lives if necessary. That’s why you get paid booku bucks with a high school diploma, at least in theory.