• silence7@slrpnk.netOPM
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    15 days ago

    A managed phase out with viable replacements for transport and heating is very different from getting rid of stuff today

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      15 days ago

      That misunderstands the problem of climate change.

      A managed phase out was a solution 20-30 years ago, nothing but drastic change can work now. After about 2c (or thereabouts) theres no meaningful way of coming back from tipping points and civilisations lost from there. We’re likely to have emitted enough for 2c to be locked in, in about 4 or 5 years.

      We need a 10% emissions cut per annum, at keast and more to be cautious, that means ditching low hanging fruit now, like no flying, no cruise ships, no personal jets, no water craft, cut defence expenditure by 50% etc, so harder stuff, like closing roads and car parks and buildibg medium density small homes to house those from the needed managed abandonment of places like Miami, Las Vegas, Phoenix etal using the sliver of emissons budget left

      Incremetalism is just denail wrapped in a diffent colored shroud, that’s whats getting nothing done now as emissons keep increasing.

      What most people think needs doing is a few solar panels and ecars when they get aroubd to it i.e the ones surveyed, what needs doing is the complete reworking of the political and economic systems we live under, likely dissolving nation states etc.

      Now we can do this in a hectic, best we can kind of way … or … nature will do it for us and it will be beyond traumatic but it will happen.

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      15 days ago

      Agreed. And also, there are places where the only alternative is expensive electric cars, and also there is little or no charging infrastructure in place. Nationwide, we’re nowhere near ready.