Interesting take as far as China is concerned, not that I disagree. I wonder how their arguments for Palestine don’t conflict with their stance on Taiwan or even Tibet, or their current actions against the Uyghurlar. I suppose it’s more geopolitical posturing against “the West” more than an actual statement of ideology, but there might be nuance.
The problem with your comparison with Taiwan is Taiwan is an island that is part of China but is currently controlled by an occupying force. This is agreed upon by almost all nations except for 12, the US also agrees on this btw.
What the west is saying is that regardless of this, China does not have the right to an armed resistance against Taiwan even though they consider it part of China. They even agreed to arm Taiwan to prevent this attack from happening.
So in terms of their statement on Palestine, this is actually consistent. The Palestinians have a right to kick out their occupiers, much like China has the right to kick out Taiwan’s occupiers.
You view it differently, but as I stated before almost all members of the UN agree Taiwan is part of China.
*Edit: On a personal level I don’t actually agree with this. I don’t want an invasion of Taiwan. I’m merely pointing out the “gotcha” you tried to set up doesn’t actually make sense. Instead it’s actually quite consistent with China’s position on Taiwan.
I talked about that. This is how China is keeping the messaging consistent. Again, according to most states in the UN, they want a 2 state solution for Palestine. That’s why China’s pushing an armed resistance solution for the Palestinians.
Also, according to most states in the UN, they agree upon a 1 state solution for China and Taiwan. That’s why China’s pushing for an armed resistance solution against the Taiwanese occupiers.
It doesn’t matter what states say internally or want internally. The whole point is consistency of message from the Chinese. Which is armed resistance is acceptable for occupations. Thus, no “oh what if it turned around on China?” It’s consistent messaging, there’s no turning around.
NOW what you’re arguing is that the people don’t feel that way. Which means the west isn’t following it’s own “rule of law”. The problem with your argument is it makes clear that China is the one agreeing and following the UN rulings and the west is bending the “rules of law”. This is also why China cares so much about what they’re “hearing” as you stated and doesn’t really care about what they say internally. Which seems petty to you, but means China is actually obeying rule of law and the west is not.
Well tell that to your government. They are not saying that. And until most of the UN agrees with that, Taiwan can’t be considered a country.
In fact, as a Taiwanese person, I’d prefer it if people like yourself didn’t just say platitudes like Taiwan is a country and then do literally nothing in your votes to make that happen. You disappoint me.
They’re not saying it is invalid, they are wondering how long it will take for China to immediately flip on this once it’s about their own interests, because they constantly talk out of both sides of their mouth on this sort of thing.
So does the US. They are both imperialist nations with opposing interests. It’s not worth pointing out unless you are acknowledging how they both do it.
Each is in the best position to lay out valid criticisms of the other. You just have to use media literacy to be able to discern valid points from propaganda.
No shit, they were discussing the possible geopolitical implications, not saying China is uniquely duplicitous, please use your media literacy to not insert words into people’s mouths
this is pattently false, and this statement right here is why the PRC is able to run circles around the west, while also publishing 5 year plans on exactly what they are going to do and how they are going to do it. The west just pretends they are lieing
Interesting take as far as China is concerned, not that I disagree. I wonder how their arguments for Palestine don’t conflict with their stance on Taiwan or even Tibet, or their current actions against the Uyghurlar. I suppose it’s more geopolitical posturing against “the West” more than an actual statement of ideology, but there might be nuance.
The problem with your comparison with Taiwan is Taiwan is an island that is part of China but is currently controlled by an occupying force. This is agreed upon by almost all nations except for 12, the US also agrees on this btw.
What the west is saying is that regardless of this, China does not have the right to an armed resistance against Taiwan even though they consider it part of China. They even agreed to arm Taiwan to prevent this attack from happening.
So in terms of their statement on Palestine, this is actually consistent. The Palestinians have a right to kick out their occupiers, much like China has the right to kick out Taiwan’s occupiers.
You view it differently, but as I stated before almost all members of the UN agree Taiwan is part of China.
*Edit: On a personal level I don’t actually agree with this. I don’t want an invasion of Taiwan. I’m merely pointing out the “gotcha” you tried to set up doesn’t actually make sense. Instead it’s actually quite consistent with China’s position on Taiwan.
Those 12 also agree it’s part of China, they just disagree on which part is controlled by an illegitimate rebel government
Internally, the western governments all say Taiwan is its own country.
They just say what the CCP wants to hear because otherwise Whiney the Pooh gets upset.
I talked about that. This is how China is keeping the messaging consistent. Again, according to most states in the UN, they want a 2 state solution for Palestine. That’s why China’s pushing an armed resistance solution for the Palestinians.
Also, according to most states in the UN, they agree upon a 1 state solution for China and Taiwan. That’s why China’s pushing for an armed resistance solution against the Taiwanese occupiers.
It doesn’t matter what states say internally or want internally. The whole point is consistency of message from the Chinese. Which is armed resistance is acceptable for occupations. Thus, no “oh what if it turned around on China?” It’s consistent messaging, there’s no turning around.
NOW what you’re arguing is that the people don’t feel that way. Which means the west isn’t following it’s own “rule of law”. The problem with your argument is it makes clear that China is the one agreeing and following the UN rulings and the west is bending the “rules of law”. This is also why China cares so much about what they’re “hearing” as you stated and doesn’t really care about what they say internally. Which seems petty to you, but means China is actually obeying rule of law and the west is not.
What are you talking about?
Taiwan is its own country.
Well tell that to your government. They are not saying that. And until most of the UN agrees with that, Taiwan can’t be considered a country.
In fact, as a Taiwanese person, I’d prefer it if people like yourself didn’t just say platitudes like Taiwan is a country and then do literally nothing in your votes to make that happen. You disappoint me.
De facto it is. But according to the one China policy that the US subscribes to, it’s not. It’s also not a part of many UN organisations.
Going straight for the Uyghurlar
Lmao get owned
Lmao get executed
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That fact that China is the one saying it has no impact on the validity of the argument.
They’re not saying it is invalid, they are wondering how long it will take for China to immediately flip on this once it’s about their own interests, because they constantly talk out of both sides of their mouth on this sort of thing.
So does the US. They are both imperialist nations with opposing interests. It’s not worth pointing out unless you are acknowledging how they both do it.
Each is in the best position to lay out valid criticisms of the other. You just have to use media literacy to be able to discern valid points from propaganda.
No shit, they were discussing the possible geopolitical implications, not saying China is uniquely duplicitous, please use your media literacy to not insert words into people’s mouths
You alright?
The CCP has only ever cared about the public face it presents.
Consistency between statements has never mattered.
this is pattently false, and this statement right here is why the PRC is able to run circles around the west, while also publishing 5 year plans on exactly what they are going to do and how they are going to do it. The west just pretends they are lieing