Billions of dollars that could have easily covered accessible healthcare… wasted.

I would say that these Herzlians have more in common with the antisemitic provocateurs at Christie Pits than any of Kristallnacht’s victims.

“Let the IDF win, and f*** the Arabs! […] everybody die”

Wishing violence and death on millions of your cousins is not okay.

Let’s pretend, for the sake of argument, that these legislators want to help ordinary Jews: how does this help them? Where are the talks with lower-class Jews? Where are all the Rabbis? Where can we find somebody talking about expanding education on Jewish history or Judaism? How about maybe funding Synagogues so that nobody has to pay a membership fee? How about funding Jewish musea? Theatres? Musical events? Language courses? How about giving Shoah survivors reparations directly instead of blowing money on a worthless apartheid régime that can’t even protect its own snotty citizens?

If this were really about reducing antisemitism then it is the most uncreative and laziest fecking effort that I have ever seen. They can’t even be bothered to record each other making performative gestures like visiting Synagogues or eating Ashkenazi cuisine. What an absolute joke.

Bill Clinton blamed President Milošević for the NATO massacring civilians.

Clinton said the civilian deaths occurred because Serbs were using civilians as “human shields” and the person responsible was Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic.

The pogroms (veritable mass murder episodes) that took place in 1940 and 1941, such as the Iași Pogrom, were publicly justified by alleged Jewish armed subversion against [Axis] soldiers.⁴⁰

Reading about the alleged Jewish attacks against the army in Iași (June 1941), some better-informed Romanians, such as former Prime Minister Argetoianu, recorded their disbelief in the accusations: “The [insert slur here] have no weapons.”⁴¹ Despite the antisemitic slur, Argetoianu was right. Romanian Jews lacked weapons and military organization, key elements for any armed resistance.

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The agreement that the Jews of Kiev had to be killed in “retaliation” for the bombings and arson amounted to a diversionary maneuver. The [Axis] officers merely seized on them as a justification for the murders, which had been planned in advance on ideological grounds. The term “retaliation” was intended to create the impression of military necessity and thus justify it in the eyes of soldiers and members of the SS.⁸⁷

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One Sunday I saw some [Fascist] soldiers enter an Ethiopian church and ring the bells. Sixteen old men thought it was time for prayer, but before they could enter the church the [Fascists] killed them. I heard the words of these poor men: ‘Egziabher Yasywo’ (May God open your eyes to the truth!) I could not help crying, but the [Fascists] were laughing. The dead bodies lay for two days on the steps of the church.

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Men whom Boaglio had considered fair and honest […] were ‘grinning coldly’ as they calmly shot the people running out screaming from their burning homes.⁴⁷

Accounts by witnesses in the Feransay Legassion district mention the use of hand grenades. This was confirmed by the French consul-general, who wrote that the killing turned into a pogrom: ‘They were killing for the fun of killing; they pillaged for the joy of destroying and getting drunk; they then set fire, through an imperious need to complete the devastation […] The tukuls, roofed with thatch and serving as houses for the natives, were burned; sometimes with their occupants inside, due to the impossibility of escaping before the forces liberally unleashed. Flame-throwers and grenades served to exacerbate the evils.’⁴⁸

[…]

Liqe Tebebt was shot and also fell, seriously injured, into the water. In his state of shock he saw that the major was trampling on the dead and the dying on the riverbank, and laughing at one of his victims who was in agony and begging to be given the coup de grâce.

[…]

‘After the three days of rampaging in the town, Fascist beasts who had returned from Holetta [military academy] with a truck tied the legs of Ato Ar’aya to the back of the truck. Before the vehicle moved, Ar’aya sang a mission song:

Heaven is opening for me to enter
– I will see Jesus there.
I am happy! I am happy!
– I am happy!’

Unmoved, the laughing Blackshirts told him that it would be better for him to listen to their song instead, and chanted their ‘war cry’: ‘Du-ce! Du-ce!’

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That’s how the petty bourgeoisie rolls.

Neofascists: ‘We are going to be oppressive.’

Neoliberals: ‘Can you maybe try to be just a little bit less oppressive.’

Neofascists: ‘No.’

Neoliberals: ‘Oh, okay I guess.’

Communists: ‘We are going to make life more tolerable.’

Neoliberals: ‘SOMEBODY SEND IN THE ARMY! DEPLOY THE NUKES! SANCTION EVERYTHING! LEAVE NOTHING STANDING! NOW!’

That is strange… of course, I am sure that she does not have his régime’s dealings with the Axis or horrific atrocities against Africans in mind when calling him an awful man. It’s like how conservatives never bash Barack Obama for his régime’s atrocities in the Middle East even though that would actually be a good argument for opposing him.

Now that I think about it… conservatives in general don’t really have that many complaints about the Fascist empires. They have this grossly exaggerated notion that they controlled every aspect of life (especially businesses and guns), they can name one perpetrator of the Shoah, they think that he supported welfare along with secularism (including evolution), they are vaguely familiar with the Third Reich’s disrespect for America, sometimes they’ll gripe about its (somewhat) accessible healthcare along with the presence of abortions, and some of them are gullible enough to believe that the Fascists approved of the LGBT+ community. Oh, and of course there is the Molotov Cocktease Pact, the single most important event in all of history, next to the head of state’s meetings with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem!

Other than those… they don’t seem to care all that much. The violence against Libyans and other Afrasians? Irrelevant. The violence against the LGBT+ community? Unimportant. The dealings with the White Russians? Whatever. Haʻavara? Meh. The unofficial alliance with Finland? Big deal. The annihilation of dozens of millions of Soviets? Who cares. The Third Reich’s colonial inspirations? Snore. The Samudaripen? Couldn’t care less. The dealings with the neutral states? Least concern. Need I go on? They don’t even seem especially interested in the Fascist colonisation of Poland despite being vaguely familiar with it, and something tells me that their understanding of the Shoah is ridiculously basic.

I don’t joke around when it comes to understanding fascism. I even wrote a thread about the Third Reich’s persecution of Jehovah’s Witnesses when, quite frankly, I loathe their attitudes and their religious beliefs, but it had to be made.

Your great aunt probably misses António de Oliveira Salazar.

BOW DOWN BEFORE YOUR NEW MASTER!

Hamzah Saadah says that there is a gay bar in Ramallah. (The IOF have probably flattened it by now, though.)

Wow… there was even one instance where he wrote the word ‘Nazi’ and another where he mentioned the head of state, but of course he preferred the terms ‘German’ and ‘Germany’ because those sound friendlier and downright neighbourly compared to ‘Nazi’, ‘Fascist’, ‘Reich’, or ‘Axis’. Most people don’t tense up when they hear the word ‘German’. You got your German shepherds, your German Spitze, your German pancakes, your German fries, your German lutes, your German biscuits, your German chocolate cakes. Those sound friendly! You hear ‘Want some German beer?’ and you go either ‘Yeah, sure’ or ‘Eh, no thanks.’ You hear ‘Want some Nazi beer?’ and you go ‘Wait, WHAT‽’

There were some Jews in the early Soviet Union who harmonized Judaism with scientific socialism, and the folk who run the Minyan have affectionately described communism as ‘Jewish’, though my own familiarity with Jewish scripture, traditions and ancient history is too meager to explain why. Perhaps @[email protected] can elaborate if he feels comfortable doing so.

Since historically organized religions have frequently worked on behalf of oppressors, I unfortunately cannot blame the Bolsheviki too much for cracking down on them (which undoubtedly resulted in some collateral damage); this is largely why so many religious establishments loathe communism. Even today there are more than a few communists and other socialists who are antitheists, but I think that that is the wrong attitude to have, since religion (including organized religion) does not need to be reactionary. I would much prefer that organised religions be transformed rather than destroyed.

I hope that this response helps you. Perhaps you know a few Catholics who cherish Judaism and would be curious to learn how it is compatible with communism.

I have to admit, I feel disappointed whenever this community attracts negative publicity and it has nothing to do with me, even if it is only somebody taking something that I said so blatantly out of context. For instance, I eventually retitled this thread because ‘economic boost’ sounded less incriminating than ‘boost to capitalism’ and after I published this reply, I realized that it sounded kind of mean, yet I was surprised that I was unable to find anybody talking about it.

tous les régimes ML et associés terminent de la même façon, défendus par des tankies prêts à excuser des génocides tout en écrasant n’importe quel mouvement demandant de l’indépendance et de l’autodétermination, quitte à s’associer avec des fascistes qui ont, in fine, le même but politique qu’eux.

This is basically just a minor variation on the trope that we merely hunger for power (rather than wanting the power to end hunger). I’ve been around the block enough times to know that there is no evidence that I could possibly provide that this anti-Bolshevik would not dismiss out of hand, though sometimes I do wonder… would a generic anticommunist ever have the patience and interest in at least reading one of my many threads on fascism? Since I recognize fascism as a manifestation of capitalism and anticommunism, I suspect that the answer is ‘no’.

The workers’ demonstration, which in the summer of 1921 was perpetuating fascist violence by merely giving existing fascists further reason to be violent, was in August 1922 turning middle-class liberals into explicit supporters of fascism.

I sure would like it if all of the people who ever abused me throughout my life apologized for what they did, all of which was worse than demanding the liberation of millions of innocents… but I’m not going to get that, am I?

In my experience, anticommunists tend to be pretty terrible at managing time. There were many German anticommunists in the 1940s who thought that the G.P.U. still existed.

It finally dawned on me that I had heard about him elsewhere… here:

To demonstrate how wide the findings are going into the depth Palestinian society we mention here that almost the entire high‐level politicians of the PLO, as well and the majority of Hamas leaders, are of a Jewish origin. This includes Mahmud Abbas (Abu Mazen — a descendant of a family of Rabbis), the late Dr. Saʻeb Erikat, Jibril Rajub (Argov), Maruwan Barguti, Nabil Shaʻat, Khanan Ashrawi, from the Fatah movement, […] Khanin Zuabi, and late sheikh Akhmad Yassin, Ismail Haniʻya, Dr. Mussa Abu Marzuk, Muhammed Def, Dr. Aziz Duwek (a Cohen), and above all Yikhyeh Sinuar from Hamas.

How could I have forgotten?

Only recently did I learn that the Palestinians have a word for their Maccabean spirit: sumud. Learning about how Sinwar perished in combat, I was reminded of something as I was doing research for this thread:

A transport of prisoners from Bergen‐Belsen Concentration Camp arrived at Gas Chamber II of Auschwitz. In the undressing room, one of the Jewish women seized SS man Josef Schillinger’s pistol and shot Schillinger and another guard, Wilhelm Emmerich!

You can see that sumud runs in the family.

Unfortunately, not all Jews choose to harness their gifts; some try to imitate their conquerors instead.