KillingTimeItself

Like I said, people like you make me sick to my fucking stomach.

reading the english language makes me nauseous, oh woe is me my head hurts now.

Your childish word-salad is making me laugh out-loud. You don’t even get a “good try”. Sorry boy-o.

damn, the words, what do they mean. A question for the future times i suppose.

So you deny the Genocide in Gaza?

I’m not saying anything in specific with regards to the israel palestine situation other than the fact that “shit’s fucked” right now. Could there be a genocide? I suppose so. I would need more definite proof before coming to that determination. You keep pretending like not having a binary answer going one way or the other is literally impossible. It might be if you have the collective reasoning and critical thinking skills of a toddler, unfortunately, i have been blessed with the mental faculties, of a grown adult human. and therefore i have to contend with the realities of the world, because they are simply a thing that exist.

No need to equivocate like that, your stance is clear.

what the fuck do you mean? I have explicitly stated what my stance on this is, multiple times, it’s the same everytime, if you think it’s any different that’s a problem with your comprehension. You have probably gaslit yourself into thinking that i have an opinion on something, that i genuinely do not have an opinion on other than “idk war bad” I would go into it with more depth but clearly that would confuse you, since you seem to lack the capability of interpreting a non binary answer.

You need to read it more clearly. Your grasp of language is horrible. You don’t understand the differences between terms like state, ethnicity, nation, nation-state

perhaps, one could argue that i was making a point about the intricacies in small things making determination of larger concepts a much harder process. Seems like you have that part ironed out, though it seems you’re more set on yelling at me and calling me a “genocide defending fuckhead”

You don’t understand what it takes for the ICJ and the ICC to admit that there is a case here. They do not admit to genocide lightly, and the trial is still open.

yeah i don’t, and you probably don’t either, what i do understand is how the court works. Once there is a set ruled verdict on this case, it will be a settled matter, and i will not have to expend energy on it, as it will be decided in the global court of law as it should be not on the internet, by angry people who may or may not even be real.

WHO is arguing that there ISN’T a genocide?

oh i don’t know, let’s see here, a significant portion of the media, a good chunk of israel, a good chunk of the israeli population, probably a pretty big segment of the jewish population as well. Idk man, seems like quite a few people here to me.

A majority of countries have decided that yes, it is indeed a genocide and yes, Israel is criminal scum and only a tiny minority of countries (like the US) deny the genocide.

There is no decision here, unless we are talking about the court case, and if we’re talking about the court case, then no, there is no decision because it has not run its due course yet. This is the entire point of the case. You don’t build a global legal system intending to prevent things like genocide, and then ONLY use it when there is 100% provable, for certain genocide going on. Because then it would, ironically, miss genocide. The whole point of it is to be a check and balance on the various members of the international community hopefully ensuring that something like ww2 never has to happen again.

These countries might publicly report that they believe this, but this is also just that they believe it, and i would presume it’s probably “we believe that israel might be perpetrating genocide” rather than the aforementioned 100% affirmative, you seem to continually and regularly use.

There are THOUSANDS of experts on international law who don’t hesitate a second to call it what it is; GENOCIDE

oh cool, so you probably have a document included the signed, consented opinion of thousands of international law experts saying verbatim “i believe that israel has 100% committed genocide” that isn’t just going to be a 300 hundred page document about the potentiality that israel has committed genocide? I find it curious that you don’t link anything the first time around, seems like you’re here to yell at people first and provide sources later, seems rather irresponsible to me.

But you stand on the side of the Nazis. Fucking disgusting.

i literally don’t, and you can’t prove otherwise, and you haven’t proven otherwise. Try harder kiddo.

Alright, come have an actual voice chat and webcam with me which I will record it and post it here. With your own name, of course, as this is real life we’re talking about.

you are literally asking me to doxx myself, very cool. Super cool, perchance can i have your full legal name? Also why would i? Doxx me and come say hi :)

But you won’t do that, because you’re a scared little kid who has been brainwashed and is unable to question said propaganda, which is why you push it despite not really believing in it, which is why you have to argue in bad faith, which is why you pretend Lemmy is “real life”* and which is why you pretend you don’t know how to Google and which is why you equivocate two pages of utter gibberish.

just for the record here, i’m not going to do it because i have nothing i want to say to you. Nor do i care enough about this ordeal to deal with someone on a level like this. But yeah no i guess the “nuance” propaganda has really gotten into my brain and it has really affected me now. It’s affected me so deeply that i’ve completely broken down my entire life view, and rebuilt it from the ground up, just so i could have a view on life that wasn’t defined by any existing structure or ideology in particular. I guess that propaganda has really worked it’s way in huh? The years of isolation in pursuit of meaning have culminated in the end result of nothing after this long period of time. (i also do not have a webcam, so)

You’re sitting here pretending that discord is real life, why are you accosting me for saying that lemmy is real life (ignoring the fact that this is a blatant mischaracterization) lemmy would be considered to be an extension of life, arguably, an extension of the socialization of life specifically. Since most people don’t use lemmy much outside of socializing. But that’s clearly too much of an abstract concept for you.

also i don’t think you understand what the definition of equivocation is, you’re the one equivocating my statements lol. Equivocal just means that something is “not clearly defined/stated” an equivocation is using that specific mechanism to work around a certain thing, most commonly a question. If you were to ask me a question, to which i was to respond with something that isn’t an answer, that would be an equivocation. I however, am responding with an answer. It’s very clear.

Also i like the little extra asterisk after the quoted italics section, very cute, i can see you were rather angry when typing that section out.

So, you would outright deny that there is a genocide in Gaza, is that right?

to rephrase this a little bit, since you’re very clearly loading the statements here. Just because i feel a little bit generous.

“so, would you consider what israel is doing in gaza, to be equivalent to a genocide?”

my short answer would be “no, because i do not have a clear understanding of the situation to a point where i can make a reasonably informed decision on the matter.”

My long answer, would be: Given the historical contexts of what is currently going on in israel/palestine at the given moment, it is extremely difficult to give a concise answer to the question, adding all of the propaganda, misinformation, and disinformation out there on the internet, from both sides (we know this part from the ukraine, russia war, it’s very apparent) that there is almost no reputable source of information regarding any one topic on the matter, as it differs from person to person. Combined with the given definition of genocide being a particular action, and this being a very definite war. It’s hard to delineate between where war stops, and genocide ends. When we include middle eastern culture into this it only gets less defined.

In short, i have no reasonable way, manner, or method, to make a well informed opinion of the events taking place, including my understood lack of knowledge on the topic, such that i wouldn’t be disseminating some form of misinformation, or disinformation, which is not something i wish to do. Combine that with the general stance i have on providing other people free will, and not trying to influence people in any particular manner, it would not benefit me in any manner either. The best i can do is to coalesce my known information into one place, and collect my thoughts in a manner that allows me to best express my understanding of the situation, in hopes that it gives other people insight into what’s going on, on some rudimentary level, while on top of that, instilling in them a healthy dose of nuance.

although i’m sure nothing i could say would satiate your desires for conflict.

avoiding showing your face

oh please, show me your face! I’m sure it’s pretty. Or will you not, because you don’t stand for your own morals? I will continue to not, because my morals are simply different from yours, and that’s ok. That makes me no less of a person than you, just anonymous. As i prefer to be on the internet, presumably, like you currently are, and will continue to be, because you have no interest in revealing your identity to me as it could bring unforeseen consequences. Which, is fine. Though hypocritical given your previous statements. Perhaps you could even do some equivocation of your own there?

park is an incredibly broad definition. Are we talking a national park? Fucking yellowstone? A childrens playground? A public park? A parking lot? All of these are very different from each other, and some of these would make more sense than others.

in fact, going by the most broad definition “An area of land set aside for public use, as.” this includes places like the DMV, or local government buildings, and my personal favorite. Memorial sites.

you have got to give me something to work with here if you’re going to sit there and call me stupid.

you sure seem assmad about this one.

Are we going to deal with a 5 year old shitting their pants in the middle of a public park also? And if so at what point should i be dealing with my shit pants in public, because that is technically, a thing that can happen.

i would presume that would be what one is to do. It seems the logical solution here.

you can debloat windows, yeah. But it might also install malware on your system, or irreversibly break windows as microsoft is well known for not breaking things

you could try and debug issues, i guess. Good luck. You could use a software repository, there are three to choose from!

Windows is theoretically built in a modular manner that prevents things from being weirdly placed and hard to track down, but it isn’t adhered too!

Most problems with windows, are ironically, not really a problem with windows. But a problem with microsoft specifically, or the way that software is developed for windows.

i’ve got no problems with torx (it’s one of the best driver designs) and nothing wrong with left hand thread, as you said, it’s needed for bicycles, but using proprietary “security” bits is just, less than acceptable in the modern day and age.

Though i am inclined to agree with you on the design theory, it’s more than likely they have billions of those little proprietary things kicking around in a warehouse, and there’s just no reason for them to get rid of them.

It’s rude to change a baby’s diaper in public?

considering you haven’t defined public, and don’t seem like you want to define public, yeah i’m going to say that’s probably rude.

the implication there was that they would be children otherwise.

i think the distros that “just work” are a great way to get into linux, but i do still think it’s something that you need to familiarize yourself with. It’s like driving a car, if you want to go somewhere in the US, you’re gonna need to know how to do it.

simply put it into a canon.

idk i’ve never been to one but it’s clothing optional, so it’s up to the kids and the parents ig.

clothing optional*

see thats weird, i read that comment, not one mention of “naked kids” being there, just “kids” being there…

You genocide defending fucks make me sick to my stomach.

if this is what does you in, you won’t have a very good time on this little thing here called the internet, again, you keep saying shit i don’t say. Stop putting words in my mouth.

While we’re here, let’s play a game. one of my personal favorites

“More legally and specifically” as if “ethnicity” isn’t well defined in international law. gtfo noob.

alright then big man, link me to the resources that define these things.

Does the state share cultural and historical background with the rest of the NATION-STATE they belong to? Yes. They do. They share a cultural and historical background.

most of palestine is partially arab, therefore, palestine is arab in ethnicity. There are a few religious minorities, but that’s typical, though i’m not familiar with most middle eastern states so i wouldn’t know if any of those are illegal elsewhere.

Also if this is such a hard concept for you to grasp, i will simply point you to asian, european, slavic, african, all of these are arguably ethnicities, though broadly defined, as there are usually more specific subsets for these. Palestinian is arguably a subset of these more broadly defined groups (though i left out the middle east)

The reason that the holocaust was considered genocide was because it was literally targeting jews, for no reason other than cleansing them. (also it had a kill count in the millions) If genocide is considered to be killing people of an ethnic group, than would you classify the US bombing of japan during ww2 to be an ethnic cleansing? because as far as i can tell, that would not be what that is considered, even remotely. Even though we literally bombed hundreds of thousands of japanese people over the course of the war. Presumably genocide has to be defined by a percentage of the total population, given a motivation to “cleanse” said population, the boulder shooting for example would that count as a genocide? What about the florida church shooting?

in fact, according to the genocide convention it’s an extremely broad definition, including almost nothing specifically, other than the fact that it must be “… any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:” it doesn’t specify military operations, and i am almost sure there are exceptions to this clause in the definition of military operations, because this is law we’re talking about. In fact, this is also so incredibly broad, that the only way it could reasonably be defined, is in a court of law, specifically an international one, only then would we be able to determine what the answer is here.

So if you lived a hundred years ago, you would say that the Nazis aren’t on “your land” and thus “literally not your problem to answer”?

you forget that this is basically what the US did up until germany threatened attack on the US. The nazis were also operating differently, unlike israel, who is actively engaged in war, germany sort of just, walked up to people, waved, said hello, and then invaded them and overthrew their governments within about a week or two. (highly verbatim, don’t take this literally, since you probably know fuck all about ww2 lol)

Nazi germany was also literally a fascist dictatorship, israel is quite literally a democratic country. These are quite literally two incomparable situations.

We live in an global interconnected world and you bet your goddamn stinky arse that it’s also your problem, no matter how indirectly. The war in Ukraine isn’t your land, thus “literally not your problem”, right?

the war in ukraine literally isn’t my problem, i have no control over it, i have no authority over anything related to it, the best i can do is vote. That’s it. Does it affect me? Yes, so do tornados, and hurricanes, and floods, and fires, are those my problem? No, i literally can’t do anything about them. I just have to live with them.

And that’s a very simple example (for what I assume is a very simple person), but people could list literally thousands of ways how this is your problem as well.

yeah and the OPEC founding caused the energy crisis of the 70’s. I’m almost certain i could list more ways that the ukraine russia war effects the global economy, i’ve been around the topic extensively and i am rather familiar with the effects of trade on a globalized economy. My point here is that i did not create OPEC, i literally have no control over what russia decides to do, it doesn’t fucking matter what i think.

Do you live under a fucking rock? https://www.icj-cij.org/case/192

did you just link the ongoing court case? I’m not up to speed on it as i don’t turbo nerd follow every global political event unfortunately, i have to spend time playing factorio and shit, i’m a person after all. So i’m not sure if this has had a legal conclusion (though i would have almost certainly heard about it) This is literally the equivalent of me suing you for “raping me” that doesn’t mean that you raped me, or that i lied, it just means that it has to go through court, it has to be tried, and it has to be ruled on, to some degree. To my knowledge, none of that has happened yet considering what most of those links appear to be are “motions filing for the convention of genocide”

The motherfucking INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT has said there are “reasonable grounds” for a genocide, and their standard of proof is a bit higher than some random asshole online who admits they don’t know anything about anything that’s outside of America.

and i don’t disagree? My problem here is that there is no “proven genocide” it’s “reasonable grounds for genocide” those are two very different things. And yes, the standard of proof IS higher than my dumbass self saying shit on the internet, you’ll notice i have literally NEVER said that this is or isn’t a genocide, i’ve just said that i’m not sure what this would be classified as, because this is a rather unusual proceeding in modern politics.

also here’s a little fun fact if you’re linking israeli officials that go against netanyahu. Have you ever considered that they may be doing it as an act of political posturing to gain support from opponents of netanyahu? If i were a political figure in israel that was opposed to him, i would absolutely be doing the same thing.

“plausible violations of the Genocide Convention in Gaza”

plausible does not mean confirmed, it just means likely possible. Not that it even happened, but that there’s a likely chance that it could’ve happened Plausible is barely any more sound than 'maybe" or “possible” or “technically a possibility”

saying that what is very clearly an intentional genocide isn’t one and that no-one should do anyone about it.

wow… you are, uh, very bad at reading comprehension, like really bad. Are you chatGPT by chance? Llama model? What flavor of generative AI are we speaking here?

To cover this one statement by statement here:

it is not “very clearly an intentional genocide” it’s a war, between an organziation that has literally (according to your standards) committed an act of terrorism against israel “At least forty-four nations have publicly expressed their unequivocal condemnation of Hamas and explicitly decried its tactics as terrorism.”

“isn’t one” Show me one message where i have explicitly said “israel is not committing genocide against palestine” Across my ENTIRE account history, please, show me one.

“no-one should do anyone about it” this one isn’t quite true, it’s more a mischaracterization than anything. What i’m saying is that we you and me, have almost nothing that we can do, other than say “hey i don’t like this, don’t do that shit.” but that’s about the extent of it, our elected officials can do more, and doing this “genocide denial” shit, doesn’t fucking help. Because at the end of the day nobody fucking cares whether it’s genocide or not they want the war to stop

Do you have no fucking morals?

i do have morals, they’re just rather minimal, and weirdly enough, don’t include the very specific designation of “ISRAEL BAD PALESTINE GOOD” anywhere in there, it does have shit like “war crimes bad” “war not good” “crime bad” “don’t murder” though.

Were you just brainwashed so horribly on your Birthright?

homie you are the one putting words into my mouth here. Please, if you’re going to accuse a degenerate furry of being “brainwashed” at least be clever about it.

If this were real life, you wouldn’t even dare to say aloud that “why would it even be considered a genocide”, because you’d be so ashamed because everyone would look at you like the drooling moron you are.

this literally is real life, and i’m right here, and you’re right there, unless you’re chatgpt. Why would i be ashamed? This is a very standard practice in the field of philosophy, especially sociology. Clinical analysis of these types of situations is the only thing that provides meaningful results. Also cool adhom, should i call you retarded now? Is that how this works? I would rather not though, because that’s extremely rude.

Educate yourself https://www.icj-cij.org/case/192

again, i think you need to actually read what it says, because it’s pretty explicit about what it says, and what it says is that “it is possible that genocide has been committed in gaza by israel.” If it said anything else, there would be an arrest warrant out for netanyahu, most of the upper political government, as well as most military leaders, and perpetrators of the “genocide” weirdly, there seems to be a distinct lack of any of this happening, and i’m not sure why, it’s almost as if nobody really knows what the status of what is currently happening is.

idk i’ve grown up around a family with various siblings, and my experience has generally been that doing much of anything with a baby, especially one that shits itself is often more work than it’s worth.

maybe this shits uniquely american, but i can’t recall anybody just changing their babies diaper in public. In public bathrooms sure (a car even? Though i don’t consider that public), there’s changing stations there, and it’s to be expected, but certainly not just, in the middle of a park.

hence why i said rude at best, because yknow, human fecal matter has never been known to cause disease and sickness in other humans. Let alone what kind of sanitary problems that would cause in most places.

Im sure people carry kit with them, but shit happens (literally) and i would certainly want to be in a bathroom rather than not be in one, because that way it’s atleast contextually contained and expected. Also do you not have a car? That would certainly explain some of this.

violation of privacy is often considered to be an extreme form of trauma for most.

That’s why it’s private.

how do you even know the kids are allowed to be nude there?

i mean, most people use bathrooms. Considering that human waste is literally a biohazard, i feel like doing anything else would be quite rude at best, and arguably a crime at worst.

i literally didn’t claim that, scroll up to one of my previous comments.