WrittenInRed [any]

I posted this in another thread but I also wanted to say it here so it’s more likely one of you will see it. I get the intention behind this, and I think it’s well intentioned, but it’s also definitely the wrong way to go about things. By lumping opposing viewpoints and misinformation together, all you end up doing is implying that having a difference in opinion on something more subjective is tantamount to spreading a proven lie, and lending credence to misinformation. A common tactic used to try and spread the influence of hate or misinformation is to present it as a “different opinion” and ask people to debate it. Doing so leads to others coming across the misinfo seeing responses that discuss it, and even if most of those are attempting to argue against it, it makes it seem like something that is a debatable opinion instead of an objective falsehood. Someone posting links to sources that show how being trans isn’t mental health issue for the 1000th time wont convince anyone that they’re wrong for believing so, but it will add another example of people arguing about an idea, making those without an opinion see the ideas as both equally worthy of consideration. Forcing moderators to engage in debate is the exact scenario people who post this sort of disguised hate would love.

Even if the person posting it genuinely believes the statement to be true, there are studies that show presenting someone with sources that refute something they hold as fact doesn’t get them to change their mind.

If the thread in question is actually subjective, then preventing moderators from removing just because they disagree is great. The goal of preventing overmodedation of dissenting opinions is extremely important. You cannot do so by equating them with blatent lies and hate though, as that will run counter to both goals this policy has in mind. Blurring the line between them like this will just make misinformation harder to spot, and disagreements easier to mistake as falsehoods.

Oh also something I just realized, they basically want to force mods to debate misinformation, which is literally a tatic used to spread disinformation in the first place. By getting people to debunk a ridiculous claim it lends credence to the idea as something worth discussing and also spreads it to more people. I feel like the intentions behind this are noble, but it’s been proven that presenting evidence doesn’t really get people to change their opinion all that often. The whole thing is super misguided.

Holy shit this is such a bad policy lol. World is known for being too aggressive at deleting a lot of content they really shouldn’t be deleting, but this policy really doesn’t seem like it will improve that. The issue is most of the time if they want something removed they do so and then add a policy after to justify it, meaning that regardless of this rule people can’t “advocate for violence”, but they will be able to post misinformation and hate speech since apparently “LGBTQ people are mentally ill” hasn’t been debunked enough elsewhere and a random comment chain in Lemmy is where it needs to be done. Never mind the actual harm those sorts of statements cause to individuals and the community at large.

All I can see this doing is any actual types of that get wrongly overly censored will still do so since the world admins believe they are justified in doing so, while other provably false information will be required to stay up since the admins believe the mods aren’t justified in removing it.

This policy seems to only apply to actual misinformation too, not just subjective debates. So if there’s a comment thread about whether violence is justified in protest would likely have one side removed, while I guess someone arguing that every trans person is a pedophile would be forced to stay up and be debated. Its like the exact opposite of how moderation should work lol.

I mean agreed that one option was way worse, but the issue with that logic is what can we use as leverage in attempting to get the Democratic Party to stop funding Israel? The power people as a collective have over politicians/governments is in numbers, and voting is the easiest of the available ways to use those numbers. Protesting a party outside of their convention and then turning around to vote for them means that the protest was an empty threat.

The same thing is kinda true for any protest sine Trump was elected too. As long as the Republican party exists in it’s current state the Democrats can use them as a threat against their voters because “the alternative is so much worse,” and then use that as a reason to ignore their base. I can’t really see a situation where Kamala/the Democrats would have done something until it was too late, so in 4 years the Palestine would probably look about the same whether it was Trump or not.

And neither party is innocent from leading us into this mess. Even if Trump lost this election, Biden had 4 years, 2 of which had a Democrat majority, to do basically anything to stop Trump and largely squandered it. Plus a big thing Kamala ran on was being the same as or more conservative than Biden on a lot of things. The system that birthed Trump and MAGA won’t just go away without actual change being fought for by the Democrats, and neither Biden nor Harris really tried to do that.

The Democrats can’t keep treating entire groups like the LGBTQ+ community, racial minorities, or people in extreme poverty as hostages to try and drive up their voting numbers. Not only does it clearly not work, but doing so doesn’t make them that much better than the Republicans since they keep enabling them in the first place by not actually doing anything.

All this being said I did vote for Harris, but blaming Trump winning on Democratic voters or people criticizing the DNC/Biden/Harris is misguided and honestly a bit harmful. It isn’t supposed to be a voters job to blindly support a party or politician. The government is supposed to support and represent its citizens. Reversing that relationship by blaming voters for Harris losing is beneficial to to Republican party since it means the DNC will continue running completely as is and continue losing elections they should have an easy time winning.

Are you trying to remove it from a photo or a video? For me at least it seems like it shows up on images but not videos.