Military service is compulsory for most Jewish men and women in Israel. But politically powerful ultra-Orthodox parties have won exemptions for their followers to skip military service and instead study in religious seminaries.

So…

Their religious beliefs prevents them from having military service…

But not supporting a genocide…

And they can still violently attack people?

It’s literally the people running his campaign…

“I think he’s the only Democrat who can beat Donald Trump,” Sen. Chris Coons, D-Del., a Biden campaign co-chair, said during an interview on ABC News’ “This Week.” “And let me tell you, we had the single best day of grassroots fundraising after the debate.”

And that’s not even getting into how those are pro-Biden donations so much as “please for fucks sake someone stop trump” donations that literally any Dem candidate would be receiving.

It’s what happens when you insist on running back to back campaigns on just not being the other guy…

Like, cool bro, we know the other guy sucks, but why are you here?

We could have someone we actually want instead, who is also not trump and have the same level of voter support.

From a cold emtionaless perspective, there is just literally no advantage to Joe Biden being the nominee.

And this election is more important than Joe Biden’s feelings. We shouldn’t just let him have this one, it’s not the last fucking cookie, it’s deciding who has the best shot of stopping a fascist takeover of the country.

Alright…

We’re close…

Here’s where it gets tricky, lots of people get lost.

For the best path forward and to ensure this doesn’t happen again we should:

1. Have a robust primary every election and replace incumbents that don’t agree with voters.

2. Blindly support Dem incumbents until they eventually lose to a Republican

Think about it, don’t just answer right away reflexively.

Which path forward actually leads to progress? I don’t want to rush you, but it’s an election year. Decisions made today we’re gonna be stuck with for 4-6 years.

So think fast, but think long term.

I feel like the vast amount of “Biden supporters” online these days are just flat out republicans trying to make sure Biden is their worst case scenario…

It’s the only way any of this makes sense.

None of them can give any real reasons why Biden is the best candidate, they just keep repeating “it’s too late”.

but it’s far too late to a get a fresh face in front of people and expect them to vote for them

What?!

The most common reason for voting Biden back to the last election was/is “he’s not trump”…

Literally anyone that’s the Dem nominee will be a legit household name in 72 hours max. And they will get 100% of the votes Biden would get for not being trump.

In addition to some people who couldn’t hold their nose past a genocide, but because it really is D or trump, would begrudgeingly vote for Boe Jiden knowing it’s gonna be functionally the same as voting Joe Biden.

Like, that’s the hard part to swallow.

People are just voting Biden to prevent trump.

And Biden is bad enough on his own, that Dem voters will take practically anyone else and throw equal support behind them.

There is zero benefit to Joe Biden himself being president, what is important is it’s not trump.

So why not run the candidate with the best shot at beating trump?

Like, it’s fucking 2024 man. And you’re honestly trying to say 4 months isn’t enough time for a presidential candidate to get their name out?

It’s trump’s fucking 3rd election…

We know what’s at stake. People are fucking paying attention.

Which is why it doesn’t make sense to waste that energy.

Not to mention, you think the red states wouldn’t do everything they can to stop having to change their ballots? I can see it now: “We’re 4 months from the election, can’t change it now ohhh welll!” ~Shithole Red states

The convention is over a month away…

Like, you’re ahead of schedule for what excuses you can pull out. But when the DNC hasn’t even named their candidate yet. It’s hard to argue it’s too late to change

There’s just no logical way to defend your position.

I’m sure it sucks bro

Uh, lots.

Are they in the room with us now?

and it’s way too late for someone else to start campaigning

What’s weird, is the same people have been saying “it’s too late” have been saying that since 2021 now…

Like, the DNC essentially cancelled our primary this election, and are now saying we have to go with Biden because it’s too late…

When it’s still not too late, because the convention hasn’t happened…

And the DNC has spent the last decade saying they can do what they want because it’s a private party.

Like, it’s literally not too late…

There’s only so many ways to say this mate, the DNC hasn’t named the nominee for the general election yet

And even after they do, the DNC is a private party and they can just ignore primary results. They’ve literally paid lawyers to argue that to a judge very recently.

It’s never to late to do all we can to stop trump.

I’ve never seen a better ambassador of the Republican party.

You have truly personified the meme of a pigeon walking up to a chessboard.

I listed two options I think would work for me

You also told me you’re a Republican and know nothing of the Democratic party or what its voters want…

So let me give you some advice, for Republican candidates I want:

1. Boots Riley

2. Optimus Prime.

For better or worse, you know you need me and my perspective on this matter. Lest you lose Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Arizona and let Trump take the victory.

No we don’t.

Because Obama 08 didn’t need help from “moderate Dems” and he sure didn’t need help from Republicans.

The entire problem with the modern DNC is they ignore their base and chase Republicans.

Who will always say the DNC isn’t conservative enough.

It creates these feedback loop where the party gets more and more conservative leaving behind more and more of its own voters.

We can just leave you all behind, and give voters a candidate they like. A progressive candidate.

Ok…

So why not get rid of the fillbuster?

https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/what-is-the-filibuster-and-how-can-the-senate-reform-it/

Seriously.

If 50 D senators isn’t enough because of the fillibuster, what’s you’re reasoning for keeping it?

Its yall’s problem. I’m a Republican. I barely know the Democratic ticket

So…

You don’t know anything about what people are talking about here, by your own admission…

You’re just a Republican here to tell us no matter what Biden is the only option besides trump?

I looked at your history since you recommended it.

I don’t know why you wanted me to because it’s not relevant to what we’re talking about, but I did look at your post history like you asked.

The Dem party platform apparently…

But PUMA didn’t stop Obama either.

No matter how loud “moderates” get, they’re a very small voting block. They’re just overrepresented in party leadership

Man…

Sounds like the party should have let an open and fair primary happen…

Could have seen what Biden on a debate stage was like 6 months ago…

Voters could have had all sorts of time to evaluate possible paths forward…

Like, it’s hard to make the call, but someone has to be the adult in the room and take Grandpa’s keys before his next trip to Country Kitchen Buffet.

Everybody wants to act like Biden isn’t driving down the interstate with our kids in the backseat.

It’s not enough that’s he’s not intentionally trying to get in a crash, he needs to be a safe driver. And we can’t just let Grandpa keep driving till he gets on the interstate via an exit ramp. We need to take his license before he kills anyone.

How many people are actually advocating for non voting?

All I see on Lemmy is people begging for a candidate with a better shot at beating trump, and then they get screeched at that only Biden can stop trump because…

Well, they never give a reason why it has to be Biden.

“The decision-makers are two people — it’s the president and his wife,” one of the sources familiar with the discussions said, adding: “Anyone who doesn’t understand how deeply personal and familial this decision will be isn’t knowledgeable about the situation.”

The DNC keeps saying it up to Biden…

Which is the exact opposite of what their lawyers have spent the last decade saying

We could have—and we could have voluntarily decided that, Look, we’re gonna go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way. That’s not the way it was done. But they could have. And that would have also been their right

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/dnc-lawyer-reportedly-said-they-could-have-chosen-between-clinton-sanders-over-cigars-in-back-rooms/

The DNC can say Biden isn’t the best shot at beating trump, so they’re not going with Biden.

They just don’t want to.

They only want to pull the party right, never left.

Even if that means republicans win.

But this isnt just a “deeply personal and familial decision” it’s the fucking future of our country and it’s more important than Joe Biden

And the vast majority of the electorate is even more conservative now

I’m not taking that as fact without a decent source.

Without a majority in both chambers it seems like we’re fucked

We literally just had that…

For two years…

And we’re still fucked because instead of voting for someone that would accomplish stuff, we banded together around Joe Biden.

And got “not trump” but none of what we actually want either.

Which brings us full circle to why Biden might not get enough votes to stop trump in 2024.

This election will come down to firmly purple swing states, and literally not a single one would swing blue for such a divisive candidate. (Not even saying she’s divisive for good reason, just that she objectively is when you look at public sentiment).

2008 Obama…

Our first Black president. Lots of “moderates” said the same things you’re saying now.

Then he flipped a bunch of red states. Not just purple. Solid red states voting for a young progressive minority.

You’re missing the context…

They’ve been saying they don’t need to abide by the will of the voters because they’re a private party.

And they’re right

So when they say they can’t use their power to give voters want they want because they’re impartial…

It’s obviously bullshit.

They’re going to do what they want