Education, economic stability and social mobility, political reforms and democracy, media and free speech, legal protections and human rights movements.
Violence on the other hand, even when it topples oppressive systems, often leads to power vacuums, further repression and new forms of extremism.
Education, economic stability and social mobility, political reforms and democracy, media and free speech, legal protections and human rights movements.
Surely, the arab gulf monarchs will respond well to this and not shoot at protestors 😃
On a serious note, i live in one of those countries and most of the things you list? We don’t have at all. I would love to topple the oppressive royal family, but how would violence not play a role in it?
Education, economic stability and social mobility, political reforms and democracy, media and free speech, legal protections and human rights movements.
If your argument here is that violence is the answer, then please, tell me how much violence does it take for you to change your core beliefs? Because for me the answer is that no amount is enough. At best it’ll just make me hide them. Now, because I know it doesn’t work on me I thus don’t expect it to work on other people either.
Why not, kill enough protestors and eventually the rest won’t want to protest any more. See? Changing hearts and minds, one machinegun spray at a time. Like the Marines in Afghanistan.
your argument here is that violence is the answer, then please, tell me how much violence does it take for you to change your core beliefs?
No reason to force a false dichotomy, I don’t think anyone here is saying that violence is the answer to every problem. Just that sometimes it’s the only appropriate response to people who are themselves willing to do violence.
how much violence does it take for you to change your core beliefs? Because for me the answer is that no amount is enough. At best it’ll just make me hide them.
That’s the entire point of fascism. Fascist don’t actually care about actually swaying everyone to their ideology. All they have to do is achieve a monopoly of violence and use it to make sure people are too afraid to stand up to them.
Now, because I know it doesn’t work on me I thus don’t expect it to work on other people either.
A confident claim from someone who’s likely never experienced the level violence that can be levied by an oppressive regime.
Education, economic stability and social mobility, political reforms and democracy, media and free speech, legal protections and human rights movements.
And… How exactly do you get these things? Because nine times out if ten asking for them will get you shot.
Yeah, the problem is never that you have no one or no place or no money to make these things exist. People do want to teach and facilitate travel. You’ll always find ways to create a place for those things, and have some people help. The problem is the people who try to stop it because they like it better when everyone is stupid and uneducated, and all discussion is in bad faith. And that problem has a clear solution.
Education, economic stability and social mobility, political reforms and democracy, media and free speech, legal protections and human rights movements.
Education, economic stability and social mobility, political reforms and democracy, media and free speech, legal protections and human rights movements.
Violence on the other hand, even when it topples oppressive systems, often leads to power vacuums, further repression and new forms of extremism.
Surely, the arab gulf monarchs will respond well to this and not shoot at protestors 😃
On a serious note, i live in one of those countries and most of the things you list? We don’t have at all. I would love to topple the oppressive royal family, but how would violence not play a role in it?
Surely the powerful can’t say no to any of that.
they wouldn’t dare
If your argument here is that violence is the answer, then please, tell me how much violence does it take for you to change your core beliefs? Because for me the answer is that no amount is enough. At best it’ll just make me hide them. Now, because I know it doesn’t work on me I thus don’t expect it to work on other people either.
Violence isn’t always the answer.
But violence is very often the answer.
I… Don’t think the violence needs to change minds.
Why not, kill enough protestors and eventually the rest won’t want to protest any more. See? Changing hearts and minds, one machinegun spray at a time. Like the Marines in Afghanistan.
/s
No reason to force a false dichotomy, I don’t think anyone here is saying that violence is the answer to every problem. Just that sometimes it’s the only appropriate response to people who are themselves willing to do violence.
That’s the entire point of fascism. Fascist don’t actually care about actually swaying everyone to their ideology. All they have to do is achieve a monopoly of violence and use it to make sure people are too afraid to stand up to them.
A confident claim from someone who’s likely never experienced the level violence that can be levied by an oppressive regime.
And… How exactly do you get these things? Because nine times out if ten asking for them will get you shot.
Yeah, the problem is never that you have no one or no place or no money to make these things exist. People do want to teach and facilitate travel. You’ll always find ways to create a place for those things, and have some people help. The problem is the people who try to stop it because they like it better when everyone is stupid and uneducated, and all discussion is in bad faith. And that problem has a clear solution.
That’s too left wing for the average lemmite
Tell that to Allende lmfao
Unfortunately we know that manipulation of elections, the MSM and social media trumps all the other solutions, as we have witnessed.