Hasan was paid by ubisoft to play the new Assassin’s creed on stream (which he was very clear that it is a paid promotion) grummz got mad and called him a “terrorist supporter” and claimed ubisoft supports terrorism (because Hasan is middle eastern and pro-palestine). Then Elon responded to grummz with this.
(because Hasan is middle eastern and pro-palestine)
Must be his pro-Houthi stances. That also covers ‘called him a “terrorist supporter”’, since plenty of people see the Houthi as terrorists, with them overthrowing the government, even though they do claim to want a democracy (just not one governed by a corrupt president).
Pointing out common hypocrisy relevant to a topic isn’t a whattaboutism, and claiming it is is a pretty transparent attempt to dismiss valid criticism you clearly lack a rebuttal to.
I wasn’t calling you a hypocrite, they were, I am not them, we are not the same person. I was just pointing out that ‘whattaboutism’ isn’t a harry-potter-esque spell that when shouted properly makes valid criticism disappear.
One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.
The founding fathers were terrorists, according to the definition the US government uses. They were fighting an occupying force using violence. We now call them heroes and patriots. It’s a matter of perspective.
Yeah, that’s not what whataboutism is. The person was asked several questions, and they answered them. They even quoted each individual question before answering it.
How is this “whataboutism”? They gave instances for every one of your hypotheticals.
I do think that Hamas and Houthis are generally vile human-beings and that the West should not be cheering for the Shia muslim faction. But it is also true that they represent freedom fighters to some - especially those in Palestine currently being murdered (genocide) so Israel can have more living space
Was the slogan of the founding fathers of America “death to america”? Super hard hitting question.
Also there was more than enough rape, murder, and genocide taking place on the part of the American revolutionaries, and it was being actively encouraged by the founding fathers.
I’m sorry but if you can’t even remotely see from where Hasan (or the other commenter) is coming from then you’re literally no better than what you blame him to be. Israel has been terrorizing Palestinians probably longer than you’ve been alive and America has been supporting Israel since the beginning. Are you really surprised when the Palestinians, who have been terrorized their entire life, radicalize into Hamas and start shouting “death to America”?
I think it’s a perfectly reasonable conclusion that when you’re forced to grow up in an violent environment you can also end up being a violent person. I don’t condone the actions of Hamas but in the context of the systemic violent oppression by Israel I can see see the “justification” of their actions.
As for being evil. I find it far more evil that you’re deliberately trying to villanize victims of oppression. Palestinians couldn’t end the conflict even if they wanted to, and I’m sure most of them want to. They can’t end the conflict because they’re the ones being oppressed, their actions of violence are a response to an oppressive regime. Israel could easily end this conflict in a peaceful manner, but they choose to continue the oppression.
Hasan was paid by ubisoft to play the new Assassin’s creed on stream (which he was very clear that it is a paid promotion) grummz got mad and called him a “terrorist supporter” and claimed ubisoft supports terrorism (because Hasan is middle eastern and pro-palestine). Then Elon responded to grummz with this.
Must be his pro-Houthi stances. That also covers ‘called him a “terrorist supporter”’, since plenty of people see the Houthi as terrorists, with them overthrowing the government, even though they do claim to want a democracy (just not one governed by a corrupt president).
There’s also the little bit about them wanting to bring slavery back
Hasan is Turkish, not Middle Eastern.
I am not about to start a geopolitical debate about where the middle east ends on a cirlcejerk community
I didn’t think it was a controversial take… In fact, I wasn’t aware that it was a take at all.
Dont forget Grimes called Hasan hot. Musk be jellouse
Apparently people started posting grimes on Hasan stream under elons tweets. I hope this pushes him to finally put all of us out of misery
Every further post raises the chance of ketamin overdose!
Hasan openly glazes Hamas and Houthis. He calls them freedom fighters and showing their propaganda videos while he calls them music Videos.
I’m not into hating vallhalla for stupid reasons, but it’s a fact to call Hasan a terrorist supporter.
I don’t watch Hasan streams or anything, just sometimes catch the clips on yt afterwards, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen him “glaze” Hamas.
Unless you’re saying that Palestinian = Hamas. Is that what you are saying?
go back to dgg or h3 whichever hole you came out of
It’s not my cup of tea. Ive been following Hasan for a long time until it became too obvious he just wants to groom the viewers to terrorists.
If you support the us military or the idf you are a terrorist supporter too
Some more of that whataboutism please. Pretty low strategy to defend terrorist, rapists and murderers.
You always stoop that low to defend evil?
Both sides of the conflict are terrorists, between IDF and hamas, hamas are the lesser evil
Pointing out common hypocrisy relevant to a topic isn’t a whattaboutism, and claiming it is is a pretty transparent attempt to dismiss valid criticism you clearly lack a rebuttal to.
Chances are they heard someone else use the term “whataboutism” and are just mindlessly parroting it without understanding what it actually is.
I havent been a hypocrite, have I? Your defense of terrorists is by your definition though.
I wasn’t calling you a hypocrite, they were, I am not them, we are not the same person. I was just pointing out that ‘whattaboutism’ isn’t a harry-potter-esque spell that when shouted properly makes valid criticism disappear.
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One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.
The founding fathers were terrorists, according to the definition the US government uses. They were fighting an occupying force using violence. We now call them heroes and patriots. It’s a matter of perspective.
Did they kidnap ship workers, woman and children to torture and kill them? Was their Slogan “death to america”?
If you support that youve sold your soul and got nothing in return.
That torture, rape, and murder stuff sounds nearly as bad as what Americans and Israelis do daily.
Likely yes
Most of the founding fathers were slave owners so that’s a yes to that as well
Americans called it a slave auction
Of course not. They were America so why would they say “death to us”? It was more like “death to England and the tyrant King George”.
Life isn’t black and white.
The whole encyclopedia of whataboutism in one comment. Respect
Don’t ask the questions if you don’t want them answered lmao
Yeah, that’s not what whataboutism is. The person was asked several questions, and they answered them. They even quoted each individual question before answering it.
That’s not how whataboutism works.
You asked, I answered. Simple as.
How is this “whataboutism”? They gave instances for every one of your hypotheticals.
I do think that Hamas and Houthis are generally vile human-beings and that the West should not be cheering for the Shia muslim faction. But it is also true that they represent freedom fighters to some - especially those in Palestine currently being murdered (genocide) so Israel can have more living space
Was the slogan of the founding fathers of America “death to america”? Super hard hitting question.
Also there was more than enough rape, murder, and genocide taking place on the part of the American revolutionaries, and it was being actively encouraged by the founding fathers.
This is like the seventh comment saying “but what about…” that I get.
Is that the bar that makes you defend atrocities against civilians?
You need a deep look into your self mate
Are we talking about the Palestinian civilians or the Israelis specifically?
Since were talking about Houthis and Hamas, Israel citizens and all kinds of others.
Lemmy seems to love them die.
So we just ignore the IDF then?
The other civilians reeeaaally don’t count for you, do they?
did you learn anything about early america? they absolutely did all that except the “death to america” part was really “death to britons”.
I’m sorry but if you can’t even remotely see from where Hasan (or the other commenter) is coming from then you’re literally no better than what you blame him to be. Israel has been terrorizing Palestinians probably longer than you’ve been alive and America has been supporting Israel since the beginning. Are you really surprised when the Palestinians, who have been terrorized their entire life, radicalize into Hamas and start shouting “death to America”?
How convenient that you ignore the rapes and murders and just argue about their slogan.
I don’t have to ignore it. Isreal gets it’s own wiki page of rape and torture . You’ll be hard pressed to find anything Hamas has done that Isreal hasn’t done 10 times worse.
So that’s your bar to justify rape and murder of innocent people, that others have done it.
You are evil
I think it’s a perfectly reasonable conclusion that when you’re forced to grow up in an violent environment you can also end up being a violent person. I don’t condone the actions of Hamas but in the context of the systemic violent oppression by Israel I can see see the “justification” of their actions.
As for being evil. I find it far more evil that you’re deliberately trying to villanize victims of oppression. Palestinians couldn’t end the conflict even if they wanted to, and I’m sure most of them want to. They can’t end the conflict because they’re the ones being oppressed, their actions of violence are a response to an oppressive regime. Israel could easily end this conflict in a peaceful manner, but they choose to continue the oppression.