“I’ve tried bullying and I’ve tried lying. I’m out of ideas here!”
fly to Bolivia, buy a car… that car will not be registered in Oklahoma… never leave Bolivia…
Seeing all these memes Sovcitdartha, the Brahmin’s son, turns inward for a bit then decides to lean in on the whole thing to prove he’s Not A Fool, that there really is something wrong about this arrangement even if he can’t quite explicate it yet. So he sets out on his journey and what he finds in the community college basement is a single tower running Win98 hosting Tim’s Registration Service. And in all the IT contracts of all the states and territories are waterfalls of documentation detailing how their own Departments of Transportation simply MUST interact with any registry, which boils down to “do what Tim says” with no mention of how to delete an entry, and no clear opinion on the matter formed in the coke fueled fire that forged the whole thing. So his odyssey leads him to the Ancient Admins who’d agree to such an augury, to a cottage in the woods. The grey beards knotted at the center of the room form the spokes of a wheel turning in time to a flute and fiddle that make record scratching noises as he enters. He explains what he’s seen and decries how incomplete it all still seems that the axioms of the world are set by consent and not by structure. The trees look on doe eyed with tight lipped understanding as they petrify. He turns to look away and through the window sees the river drained dry, frozen into three clouds running Amazon Car Registry. He closes his eyes and through the (why (why why)) echoing about hears the din of the village Bell-ders chanting to roll for initiative.
At least this one is vaguely coherent. Surely there should be a way to cancel registration if the vehicle is no longer in your possession or no longer exists?
When you transfer it out of your possession, you generally transfer it into someone else’s, so it’s still registered.
I bet they also have a register for totalled vehicles (so if you get caught with a registered vehicle that’s been marked as totalled, there’s some red flags).
It’s like asking, “why can’t you just delete my Social Security Number?”
Couple of things here, and if I become snarky, it’s at the sovcits, not you.
A vehicle title identifies the owner(s) and lienholder(s), if any. Vehicle registration is to put license plates on the car, in order to identify the vehicle and its likely owner/operator from a distance. (That information can also be gotten from the VIN, but a VIN is not at all easily readable, even up close.) Registration can also be used by the state to track and verify things like vehicle inspection and insurance compliance.
It is perfectly legal to own an unregistered vehicle. You can even drive it if you want - on private property. Registering the vehicle, and complying with inspection, insurance, etc., allows you to legally drive the car on public roads. You know, the ones which are built, operated, secured, and maintained by the government.
Once you’ve titled a vehicle in your name, you are responsible for it. If it’s wrecked or broken down, you pay to remove it from the roadway. If you sell it without transferring the title, and the new “owner” abandons it somewhere, you will be located and may be on the hook for the cost of removing it.
Once you have registered a vehicle, the same thing applies. The only way to “cancel” your vehicle registration is to transfer the title to a new owner, at which time, that new owner is responsible for registering the vehicle (or not, keeping it on private property, or making some dumb ass fake “license plate” out of cardboard).
What happens when the vehicle reaches its end of life? Does the title get transferred to the company that disposes of it?
Yes, you transfer the title to the vehicle to the disposal company otherwise they would be destroying your property. Which would be illegal. For example when an insurance company scraps a car thats been totalled in an accident you send them the title and they destroy the car.
So he’d still need to transfer that title on as long as the car is a car.
What specifically would be cancelled? Just deleting their name from the registry?
Pass. I expect the SovCit sees it as a way of avoiding various responsibilities, such as ensuring the vehicle is roadworthy.
They bought a car and the city or state is telling them it has to be registered or it can’t be on their property. They’re probably trying to find a way out of it
It’s a matter of public record.
Ignoring the SovCit idiocy, just transfer the ownership to John Doe. Then, John Doe died.
Just sell it? Registration switches to the buyer and you can take the cash and buy the same car and never register it.
Not that this is a good idea but that’s how I’d do it
What’s funny is that I know someone who has done this for 20 years. He just doesn’t register it in his name when he buys them. Consequently he doesn’t have insurance either. Or a valid license. He’s not a sovereign citizen type, just the cheap unemployed type that just can’t be bothered to get any of that. And that’s really the difference. He doesn’t actively challenge the government to recognize his disregard for laws or participating in normal society. He just does it. Quietly.
Is it up to the buyer, where you are, to register the vehicle with a new owner?
In the Uk, at least in my experience, the seller sends off their vehicle log book with the new owner details, and the DVLA sends the buyer a new log book
In the US in a private sale, the buyer goes in person with the seller to the nearest tag agency or dept. of motor vehicles office) and the buyer pays a fee to have a title transferred and filed promptly with the state/territory. The seller is right there to sign the title transfer and make sure it happens. If you are selling to a dealership or other business, they have it filed electronically and you have to follow up with them many times to make sure that it got filed properly. Source: painful experience.
Too risky. Would you want another SovCit to be at the wheel of something as dangerous as a car, but with your name still attached to the VIN? If the car is used in the commission of Sneaky Shit, the cops might call you up. That would be like selling a gun or a house without transferring ownership legally.
