The problem with red flag laws in some jurisdictions are false accusations.
Even before getting into constitutionality there are these issues:
Due Process Concerns:
Lack of Opportunity to be Heard: Red flag laws often allow for temporary confiscation of firearms without the individual being present in court or having an opportunity to present their case.
Ex Parte Proceedings: Some red flag laws allow for hearings to be conducted without the individual’s presence, raising concerns about fairness and due process.
Inadequate Legal Representation: There are concerns about whether individuals facing red flag petitions receive adequate legal representation, particularly if they cannot afford a lawyer.
Potential for Misuse and Abuse:
Subjectivity in Defining “Risk”: The definition of what constitutes a dangerous individual or a threat can be subjective, potentially leading to the misuse of red flag laws.
Misapplication to Lawful Gun Owners: Some worry that red flag laws could be used against individuals who are not actually dangerous or who are not a risk to themselves or others.
Risk of Escalation: Some fear that law enforcement actions under red flag laws could escalate tense situations, potentially leading to confrontations.
But for the sake of completeness:
Infringement on Gun Rights: Critics argue that red flag laws infringe on the Second Amendment right to bear arms, even if the gun is temporarily removed.
Violation of Property Rights: The temporary seizure of firearms raises questions about whether red flag laws violate an individual’s right to own property.
Potential for Discrimination: There are concerns that red flag laws could be used to target certain groups or individuals based on stereotypes or biases.
Or just implement a process to check the mental health of people who want to get guns, and if theyre insane and are at risk of doing that, then they dont get the guns
Schools started doing that back when I was still in school (early 00s.) It doesn’t seem to have slowed school gun violence down, though it probably helps kids prepare for the school-prison pipeline.
I personally prefer target practice with them. I used to hunt my own meat though (still took it to a butcher for the tedious part of it.) If someone is threatening my life or my family’s lives, then I don’t intend on using it in a soft or touching manner. This has happened a few times, twice with friends, we pulled our guns out and the armed robbers ran off so no bullets had to get exchanged thankfully. But had we not had them, we would have just had to give up our wallets or die I guess shrug. One time one of them did chase one of our friends down and curb-stomped his teeth/face to death… we found him and rushed to the ER. I still have pictures of his bloody face and broken teeth from that wonderful event. He was the only one without a firearm at the time unfortunately.
The shooter can simply shoot the lone guard manning the metal detector. Schools don’t have the resources to station a full SWAT team all day long at the front entrance.
An accomplice can open an emergency exit and let a gunman in through a side door. You need to have emergency exits for any public building.
Metal detectors are not as useful as one might think. They’ll catch a kid who thinks it’s OK to carry a gun around as an everyday carry item (think gang activity), but they don’t stop actual school shooters. They can be useful to keep gang violence out of schools, but they won’t stop mass shooter incidents.
I’m fine with an armed population, as long as people that might harm themselves or do mass shootings cant get weapons.
The problem with red flag laws in some jurisdictions are false accusations.
Even before getting into constitutionality there are these issues:
Lack of Opportunity to be Heard: Red flag laws often allow for temporary confiscation of firearms without the individual being present in court or having an opportunity to present their case.
Ex Parte Proceedings: Some red flag laws allow for hearings to be conducted without the individual’s presence, raising concerns about fairness and due process.
Inadequate Legal Representation: There are concerns about whether individuals facing red flag petitions receive adequate legal representation, particularly if they cannot afford a lawyer.
Subjectivity in Defining “Risk”: The definition of what constitutes a dangerous individual or a threat can be subjective, potentially leading to the misuse of red flag laws.
Misapplication to Lawful Gun Owners: Some worry that red flag laws could be used against individuals who are not actually dangerous or who are not a risk to themselves or others.
Risk of Escalation: Some fear that law enforcement actions under red flag laws could escalate tense situations, potentially leading to confrontations.
But for the sake of completeness:
Infringement on Gun Rights: Critics argue that red flag laws infringe on the Second Amendment right to bear arms, even if the gun is temporarily removed.
Violation of Property Rights: The temporary seizure of firearms raises questions about whether red flag laws violate an individual’s right to own property.
Potential for Discrimination: There are concerns that red flag laws could be used to target certain groups or individuals based on stereotypes or biases.
“people who do mass shootings can’t get weapons” just means “everybody gets to do one mass shooting but no more”
Or just implement a process to check the mental health of people who want to get guns, and if theyre insane and are at risk of doing that, then they dont get the guns
I reread your comment and I think I parsed it differently than the way you intended it.
what you said:
what you certainly must have meant by it:
the way I read it:
so there’s where my comment comes from.
Maybe put metal detectors/bag scanner at building entrances, especially for schools.
Schools started doing that back when I was still in school (early 00s.) It doesn’t seem to have slowed school gun violence down, though it probably helps kids prepare for the school-prison pipeline.
Maybe school system is the problem
anything but the guns
Anything but the people who use the guns in a violent manner.
as opposed how guns are meant to use, in a cuddly, soft touching manner
I personally prefer target practice with them. I used to hunt my own meat though (still took it to a butcher for the tedious part of it.) If someone is threatening my life or my family’s lives, then I don’t intend on using it in a soft or touching manner. This has happened a few times, twice with friends, we pulled our guns out and the armed robbers ran off so no bullets had to get exchanged thankfully. But had we not had them, we would have just had to give up our wallets or die I guess shrug. One time one of them did chase one of our friends down and curb-stomped his teeth/face to death… we found him and rushed to the ER. I still have pictures of his bloody face and broken teeth from that wonderful event. He was the only one without a firearm at the time unfortunately.
Do you think that hasn’t been happening around the country already for the last couple decades already?
That just means the detector attendant is the first casualty.
Those don’t work well for two reasons:
The shooter can simply shoot the lone guard manning the metal detector. Schools don’t have the resources to station a full SWAT team all day long at the front entrance.
An accomplice can open an emergency exit and let a gunman in through a side door. You need to have emergency exits for any public building.
Metal detectors are not as useful as one might think. They’ll catch a kid who thinks it’s OK to carry a gun around as an everyday carry item (think gang activity), but they don’t stop actual school shooters. They can be useful to keep gang violence out of schools, but they won’t stop mass shooter incidents.
I don’t think that’s the easiest solution to this
WE NEED DOOR REFORM
Whatever works you know
yeah but you could just restrict gun access and that would work fine
With Trump around, might need the guns soon.