It turns out all countries have an authoritarian desire and like to do horrible stuff to their civilians. At any point in time some may be better than others. But all of the problems stem from the same root problem of power. It’s a human thing and it’s unavoidable. Something that citizens will always need to fight against.
Dont dare talk about communist crimes, cause capitalism murders like 10 million people a day. A day! No you can’t see any proof and you wouldn’t understand russian anyway if I did. Kill all landlords. T. Didn’t finish highschool and get fired from mcdonalds every 3 months.
Dont dare talk about communist crimes
Funny thing is that you’ve got a new crop of YouTube streamers going to these regions in China and coming out of them immersed in the culture and lifestyle that we’ve been told repeatedly was exterminated.
We also had a UN Human Rights investigation into the region that came out woefully short of what western media sources reported, such that anti-China critics are now complaining that the UN isn’t a reliable investigator.
It all reeks of the same march to war we heard with Iraq. IAEA investigators running through the country looking for nuclear weapons that don’t exist. Hair-raising stories about babies being ripped from incubators and smashed to death by soldiers that turned out to be wild fabrications. Religious cult groups insisting they were being horribly persecuted, when its later discovered they were - themselves - caught up in all sorts of human rights abuses and financial scandals.
Didn’t finish highschool and get fired from mcdonalds every 3 months.
Its so weird to see the knee-jerk Lemmy response to skepticism of China Hawks boil down to “You’re too stupid to work at McDonalds”. Like, fuck me, man. That’s so corporate-brained, it makes me nauseous. Even outside the realm of HailCorporate Reddit and psycho hustler culture Twitter, you’ve still got folks who value a human’s intellectual capacity and innate humanity by how much money they can produce for shareholders.
In America police violence is shown on tv and presented as a good thing actually, in china it’s not on tv.
in china it’s not on tv
No shortage of crime dramas and procedurals on Chinese networks.
It’s so weird to hear people talk about China like its this hermit kingdom. Visited there a few months back and… the biggest difference between Zhuhai and Houston is the number of people speaking Mandarin. Oh, also, lots of trains and buses.
But the idea that Chinese citizens are somehow oblivious to the country’s politics, its security systems, its cultural strictures, or its relationship to western nations is fucking bananas. They know as much about the Chinese Civil War, Tienanmen Square, and the Hong Kong protests as you know about The American Civil War, 9/11 and the War on Terror, and the BLM protests. There’s no shortage of young Chinese folks saying the Mandarin ACAB equivalent, listening to punk rock, and feeling unfairly persecuted. There’s no shortage of stogie old MAGA conservatives who think liberals are ruining everything and the country was better 30 years ago. There’s no shortage of middle-aged middle-income bureaucrats just going through the motions and getting their jobs done, without thinking to hard about what it means at a national socio-economic scale.
There’s no shortage of people shitposting on the Chinese internet. There’s no shortage of mods banning those people, either. And if you believe otherwise, go on RedNote and see for yourself.
Fully with you, just pointing out that they do have a higher standard of censorship. Tiananmen square is the obvious one but there’s also things like when an accident happens where lots of people die the local governments often report 35 deaths because if more than 35 people die, a government official gets fired.
That’s news to me. Certainly possible given what I’ve seen of domestic cya reporting.
But “nobody talks about the cops in China” is just… pure Western mythology.
As someone that’s spent a lot of time in China with Chinese people I strongly disagree with this assertion, “They know as much about the Chinese Civil War, Tienanmen Square, and the Hong Kong protests as you know about The American Civil War, 9/11 and the War on Terror, and the BLM protests.”
In my experience Chinese people know extremely little about world history as well as their own uncensored history. It’s not a casual topic of discourse and many are hesitant to even speak about these things. They are not a truly free people but they are not ignorant of that. Often they believe that because of their size harsh controls are needed to prevent chaos and they now easily point at the US as an example of what they don’t want to become.
In my experience Chinese people know extremely little about world history as well as their own uncensored history.
We must be talking to different people. No shortage of history buffs and politics nerds in the neighborhoods I visited.
Often they believe that because of their size harsh controls are needed to prevent chaos and they now easily point at the US as an example of what they don’t want to become.
Well, the US has QAnon and other elaborate conspiracy theories. They’ve got all sorts of horrifying racist media that stokes tension and fear between communities and ethnicities. They’ve got a political system that rewards persecution of opposition and spawns enormous amounts of corruption and waste.
I can’t blame other countries’ leaders wanting to avoid that.
But if you’re a racist then hearing “the government says you’re not allowed to post ‘Black people are eating the dogs and the cats’ to social media” will feed a combined sense of paranoia and self-righteousness.
And then you end up with people who double down, get louder, get more insidious, and start calling down a police response as a result.
Then you’ve got a group of ugly reactionaries buried in a “Freedom of Speech” movement, which poisons the idea on both sides of the issue.
That said I agree the Chinese and Americans are way more alike than they care to admit.
And if you talk about police violence in China the police come to your house and tell you to stop.
If you don’t stop you and your family dissappear.
At least it’s not on TV, otherwise the public might get concerned!
“OUR fair and just police vs THEIR brutal murderer cops”
They should learn that ACAB means “ALL cops are bastards”, not “All cops in the US and not my beloved infallible glorious prc”
I vote for politicians that want certain laws.
Those laws become fact. Cops enforce them.
Why would they be a bastard?
I’mma be honest. I have never had a single interaction with a cop in Belgium. They just walk around sometimes.
https://www.liberties.eu/en/stories/police-violence-belgium-echr/12867
https://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-police-violence-problem-protest-ibrahima-barrie/
I’ll be honest too. It’s always so weird when a white person plays dumb: “The police never bother me! The police where I live are nice!” Because only a white person is allowed to think such nonsense, regardless of where they live.
You should question why you don’t already know information someone thousands of miles away from you can find in 10 seconds.
“You should question why you don’t already know information someone thousands of miles away from you can find in 10 seconds.”
It’s called dunning Kruger effect
I live here, I grew up here. Crime has been lowering in the past 20 years.
I’m also not just a white person (n word is Spanish for black person), I’m a native Belgian. We allow a lot of immigration. Unlike Japan, china, South Korea, …
Mass immigration isn’t that easy to handle. It has become a lot better than mere decades ago. Country has evolved its ability to receive people that don’t speak Dutch. People atleast can speak English now.
My wife’s from Indonesia. She hasn’t had a single encounter with police here. Why would she? She doesn’t live in a crime hotspot.
The crime hotspot is Brussels. if majority of people living in this crime hotspot aren’t natives, then the police encounters will less likely be with natives.
“- Brussels: As the capital city, Brussels has the highest incidence of crime in Belgium. It is known for issues such as car thefts, pickpocketing, and snatch-and-grab incidents, particularly in train stations. The crime rate in Brussels is significant, with petty theft being the most common type of offense.”
One advice. Don’t live in a big city. Belgium is a very decentralised country. Rail roads sprouted everywhere. There’s grocery stores, schools etc everywhere.
Move away from crime, then you move away from police officers with a difficult job. It’s merely common sense.
If people didn’t like it here, they’d literally just move out of the country. This isn’t north Korea. With the money they earn here they can live well in the country they know the language and culture.
My wife’s in Indonesia right now. Paid 2 euros for a haircut. 50 euros (viewed as generous) to paint her house for 15 hours. She earned minimum wage here as a cleaner (14 hours per week) and in Indonesia that equals to more money than she earned at a law office for 60 hours per week.
Trust me broski, Belgium is nice, otherwise we wouldn’t have that many immigrants.
You are spoiled by living in Belgium. Most countries outside of Europe have good awful corrupt police.
I fully agree
Generally it would be when they choose to selectively enforce those laws to unjustly do things to people they don’t like.
If that doesn’t happen where you are, count yourself very, very lucky.
They can’t do that when those laws don’t exist to begin with.
People are pretty protected. But now this issue:
E bikes have been surging the country, theft has increased as well. These bikes have a tracker in them.
It locates into a certain neighbourhood, later on it will be more precise.
But people can just deny entrance, so cops (along with the owner) can’t just go and look around.
Now, this is pretty digitalised eh, the tracker from a third party shows the bike is there. So the owner would really like it if they could just get the bike for him.
I would vote so that they can just go grab these bikes. Get it over with. Cops entering homes wouldn’t be bastards then.
Obvious issue: can just put a stolen bike in the neighborhood, have citizen give permission to look for the stolen bike quickly. They enter the house. Plant some evidence. Blablabla.
But still, I want e bikes to be promoted. Theft to be lowered. There need to be solutions.
Without artificial scarcity created by capitalism theft wouldn’t be a problem. Just let abundance of bikes and even if someone steals it you can always borrow another one.
Belgium has 250k euros median net wealth. High minimum wage. High social mobility. Tax funded education from age 3 to end of higher education.
Cheap public transport.
The e bikes are paid by your taxes when you have a job.
Young guys steal because they like risk and lack respect
High social mobility.
You got suace for this claim?
My understanding is that Belgium is highly stratified society with certain groups enjoying very high quality of living while out groups not having access to good jobs
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Social_Mobility_Index
We scored pretty high there.
Why would people not have access to good jobs?
Education is tax funded. Who are these people that don’t have access to good jobs?
50% of people age 25 to 34 here have completed higher education
Ok, so why can’t you just take another bike?
My job requires me to be trustworthy. If I get caught stealing a bike, even though they won’t do much, it might get on crime record. Whenever I look for a new job, I will need to give them my crime record and explain myself.
If I, at age 29, am stealing bikes. Then I am just worthless scum.
If it’s a 19 year old jobless guy who is still studying and living with his parents, then it’s more acceptable. Even though this kid will be viewed with caution by future employers.
We could likely implement city bikes funded by taxes and have them all over the city. Have trackers in them and punish people who hoard/sell them.
There’s already a private option for that, costs like 2 euros per day. But it doesn’t seem that popular.
Most people enjoy having their own bike, with premium material.
My bike is 9700 euros. Of course people will want to steal it. They either don’t know the consequences or think it won’t matter.
They made tankie 196? Gross.
tankie-inclusive chaser central
Well the USA doesn’t have Execution Vans yet if we’re comparing.
We still have police in vans running around executing people with guns. I think we should really stop splitting hairs and just settle on both police forces being authoritarian death cultists.
Well, at least they’re civilized enough to use lethal injection instead of shooting them… /s
That’s absolutely horrifying.
Ok wow I bet those are coming here soon
Nah, dissidents are just going to get disappeared to El Salvador. That way they can still be used for slave labor!
Jack Ma is just being educated to this day lemmy! Don’t look behind the prisons!
honestly im glad someone has called it out, the US is BAD and China is also BAD but with highspeed rail and some better ideas along the way which is tbf GOOD. and if we are criticising everyone i want to know why rent and housing is so unaffordable in most of europe and why landleeches can reap. i also want to know why the hell life is worse for women in so many countries, looking at you india, iran and others. problems dont go away because u ignore them and yes sometimes less bad or least worst is progress too but we must strive for the best hard enough that if we fail to hit it we achieve at least good.
Individuals are far too complex to be 100% anything, so the same applies to the added complexity of a state.
The state is 100% something. It’s 100% useless and harmful. source: https://anarchistfaq.org/afaq/sectionB.html#secb2 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1PV02IzWpo
Yeah dictatorships are good if they build a train
Infrastructure Investment is an indicator of good governance… Us just provide straight cash transfer to our parasites and we get nothing in return beyond being priced gouged by industries we subsidize
I hope Americas dictator makes a train because then we could ignore having a dictatorship.
Looks like universal Monk has a new alt… or is it noted sociopath linkerbaans alt?
Damn linkerbaan, now there’s a name I haven’t heard in a while.
Thank God
I have no alt names though–I’m just on a few different instances. I use my same name though.
Funnily enough, back in the day, people thought I was an alt of linkerbaans.
You guys seem to believe you see “alts” everywhere, especially if you disagree with someone.
You know, it could be, that there are more than one or two people that disagree with you. And that’s ok. That doesn’t mean they are the same person. lol
Tankies love to gloss over the fact the US is way more democratic than China despite recent events.
The two party system is an illusion of choice…the same parasite has hands in both socks
Hey look it’s the tankie doing the glossing
My work speaks for itself. If you are going to make accusations at least do some basic diligence, boy
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Is this a sub dedicated to hand-wringing over tankies and sinoapologists?
I’d characterize it as spotlighting, calling out, and lambasting rather than hand-wringing, but yes. From the community info:
Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
Why don’t you do something productive with your time, like attacking nazis or fascists instead of the few people that are actually working on making the US more socialist and equitable.
We are. The funny thing is that you tankies are never criticising actual fascists, you spend all of your time handwringing over “liberals”, while regurgitating the propaganda of fascists.
Why would we bother criticizing fascists? Do you think a nazi will change his mind because I argued against totalitarianism and xenophobia well enough? Tankies critique the left because we actually have a chance of working together. I’d be curious to know what fascist propaganda tankies espouse according to you also.
What do you think tankies are?
They are just as much fan of authoritarian police states as nazis.
Pro-authoritarian people should never be ceded credibility, given a platform, or shown anything other than disrespect.
There’s no such thing as a good person who supports the oppression of others
Precisely why I simultaneously agree with some statements by tankies and vehemently oppose them. I’m against all forms of authoritarianism, whether that’s fascist, socialist, or whatever it is both major parties in the US are. Government power should be as limited as possible while protecting the people from each other and foreign elements.
“few people that are actually working on making the US more socialist and equitable.”
actually got a good chuckle out of that line. i hope you don’t genuinely believe that
I’m doing my part by POSTING. Are you doing your part?
Haya tocopherol! How can we Stalin your Trump?
Last i checked sanders aint waving the flag that was waved when tens of millions were made to dig their own grave and watch their children get shot and pushed in before they were, to name the more humane, chill and kinda okay atrocity on the commie atrocity tierlist.
More like a comm
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