Do they care? No! Will they push more AI? Yes! Will they listen to the consumers? I don’t think so.
Same thing happens with lot of products over the years. Companies push new stuff that we don’t want, and a year later becomes a regular thing! They push AI day by day, from websites AI chat help to in app AI assistant. Do consumers like it? No, but still you gonna find it everywhere! and now they push it in computers and looks what it happens! No sales!Call me crazy, but at some point, they need to look at their data or their consumers and do the right thing.
Microsoft pushing a feature that most users will never use or care about? Never!
Laughs in Window 8 optimized for touchscreens
It’s because they’re looking at data and a lot of you forget that. They don’t care if realistically everyone hates it if the data says everyone would use and benefit from it. Why is this so much more important? If you looked at the marketing behind AI they faked this entire industry by showing companies the “right” data to have them back them up but it’s just manipulation from the industry to make something profitable like NFTs.
AI on phones peaked with MS Contana on W10 mobile circa 2014. “Remind me to jack off when I’m home”. And it fucking did what i wanted. I didn’t even have to say words, i could type it into a text box… it also worked offline.
Bad news for people who use google: they’ve removed the same feature, so their assistant is more useless than Cortana a decade ago (only a mild exaggeration)
Seriously missed an opportunity to being that back as their agent.
Legitimately though, Cortana was pretty great. There was a feature to help plan commutes (before I went more or less full remote), all it really did was watch traffic and adjust a suggest time to depart but it was pretty nice.
Say it every time someone mentions WP7/8/10, those lumia devices were fantastic and I totally miss mine, the 1020 had a fantastic camera on it, especially for the early 2010s
I loved my Lumia. I have the windows phone launcher on my phone currently haha
If I want at AI I have a multitude of options. It’s baked into my editors and easily available on the web. I just paste some crap into a text box and we’re off to the races.
I don’t want it in my OS. I don’t want it embedded in my phone. I’ll keep disabling it as long as that is an option.
Imagine that, a new fledgingly technology hamfistedly inserted into every part of the user experience, while offering meager functionality in exchange for the most aggressive data privacy invasion ever attempted on this scale, and no one likes it.
Gen AI should be private, secure, local and easier to train by it’s users to fit their own needs. Closest thing to this at the moment seems to be Kobold.
I think people care.
They care so much they actively avoid them.
Y’all remember when 3D TVs were going to be revolutionary?
A friend of mine is a streamer. On his discord, the topic of the Switch 2 came up, and one of his fans stated their desire for it to support 3D TV. Rather than saying my gut reaction – “are you crazy?” – I simply asked why. I consider it a great moment of personal self control.
I mean the thought of big screen 3ds emulation would be pretty fun, but yeah that technology died a decade ago. Thats like asking why the Switch 2 doesn’t have a slot for SNES carts!
3D TVs I can see happening, if there’s some breakthrough that fixes the current tech shortcomings .
But NFTs, and blockchain in general? Hahahahhah.
Reducing computer performance:
Turbo button 🤝 AI button
now that you mention it, kinda surprised I haven’t ever seen a spate of custom 3D-printed turbo buttons from overclocker circles
Same issue from when we had turbo buttons: why have a button for something you don’t turn off?
your comment demonstrates a remarkable lack of imagination
I had one on my PC in the late 90s, early 2000s.
it could turn on the RGB! though that would imply that the RGB could be turned off in the first place, which is optimistic on my part
it’s the button for more RGB
saw a microphone with RGB and i’m like wtf is this thing supposed to do, flash disco lights when you’re on stream shouting slurs at your esteemed fellow gamers
shouting slurs at your esteemed fellow gamers
They’re called “heated gaming moments” /j
nah, just call a fuckwit a fuckwit. even jokingly giving them breathing room is something they know how to abuse.
Maybe I’m just getting old, but I honestly can’t think of any practical use case for AI in my day-to-day routine.
ML algorithms are just fancy statistics machines, and to that end, I can see plenty of research and industry applications where large datasets need to be assessed (weather, medicine, …) with human oversight.
But for me in my day to day?
I don’t need a statistics bot making decisions for me at work, because if it was that easy I wouldn’t be getting paid to do it.
I don’t need a giant calculator telling me when to eat or sleep or what game to play.
I don’t need a Roomba with a graphics card automatically replying to my text messages.
Handing over my entire life’s data just so a ML algorithm might be able to tell me what that one website I visited 3 years ago that sold kangaroo testicles was isn’t a filing system. There’s nothing I care about losing enough to go the effort of setting up copilot, but not enough to just, you know, bookmark it, or save it with a clear enough file name.
Long rant, but really, what does copilot actually do for me?
How about real-time subtitles on movies in any language you want that are always synced?
VLC is working on that with the use of LLMs
We’ve had speech to text since the 90s. Current iterations have improved, like most technology has improved since the 90s. But, no, I wouldn’t buy a new computer with glaring privacy concerns for real time subtitles in movies.
I tried feeding Japanese audio to an LLM to generate English subs and it started translating silence and music as requests to donate to anime fansubbers.
No, really. Fansubbed anime would put their donation message over the intro music or when there wasn’t any speech to sub and the LLM learned that.
All according to k-AI-kaku!
I use it to speed up my work.
For example, I can give it a database schema and ask it for what I need to achieve and most of the time it will throw out a pretty good approximation or even get it right on the first go, depending on complexity and how well I phrase the request. I could write these myself, of course, but not in 2 seconds.
Same with text formatting, for example. I regularly need to format long strings in specific ways, adding brackets and changing upper/lower capitalization. It does it in a second, and really well.
Then there’s just convenience things. At what date and time will something end if it starts in two weeks and takes 400h to do? There’s tools for that, or I could figure it out myself, but I mean the AI is just there and does it in a sec…
Gotta be real, LLMs for queries makes me uneasy. We’re already in a place where data modeling isn’t as common and people don’t put indexes or relationships between tables (and some tools didn’t really support those either), they might be alright at describing tables (Databricks has it baked in for better or worse for example, it’s usually pretty good at a quick summary of what a table is for), throwing an LLM on that doesn’t really inspire confidence.
If your data model is highly normalised, with fks everywhere, good naming and well documented, yeah totally I could see that helping, but if that’s the case you already have good governance practices (which all ML tools benefit from AFAIK). Without that, I’m totally dreading the queries, people already are totally capable of generating stuff that gives DBAs a headache, simple cases yeah maybe, but complex queries idk I’m not sold.
Data understanding is part of the job anyhow, that’s largely conceptual which maybe LLMs could work as an extension for, but I really wouldn’t trust it to generate full on queries in most of the environments I’ve seen, data is overwhelmingly super messy and orgs don’t love putting effort towards governance.
adding brackets and changing upper/lower capitalization
I have used a system wide service in macOS for that for decades by now.
it’s really embarrassing when the promptfans come here to brag about how they’re using the technology that’s burning the earth and it’s just basic editor shit they never learned. and then you watch these fuckers “work” and it’s miserably slow cause they’re prompting the piece of shit model in English, waiting for the cloud service to burn enough methane to generate a response, correcting the output and re-prompting, all to do the same task that’s just a fucking key combo.
Same with text formatting, for example. I regularly need to format long strings in specific ways, adding brackets and changing upper/lower capitalization. It does it in a second, and really well.
how in fuck do you work with strings and have this shit not be muscle memory or an editor macro? oh yeah, by giving the fuck up.
(100% natural rant)
I can change a whole fucking sentence to FUCKING UPPERCASE by just pressing
vf.gUin fucking vim with a fraction of the amount of the energy that’s enough to run a fucking marathon, which in turn, only need to consume a fraction of the energy the fucking AI cloud cluster uses to spit out the same shit. The comparison is like a ping pong ball to the Earth, then to the fucking sun!Alright, bros, listen up. All these great tasks you claim AI does it faster and better, I can write up a script or something to do it even faster and better. Fucking A! This surge of high when you use AI comes from you not knowing how to do it or if even it’s possible. You!
You prompt bros are blasting shit tons of energy just to achieve the same quality of work, if not worse, in a much fucking longer time.
And somehow these executives claim AI improves fucking productivity‽
presumably everyone who has to work with you spits in your coffee/tea, too?
Apparently it’s useful for extraction of information out of a text to a format you specify. A Friend is using it to extract transactions out of 500 year old texts. However to get rid of hallucinations the temperature reds to be 0. So the only way is to self host.
Setting the temperature to 0 doesn’t get rid of hallucinations.
It might slightly increase accuracy, but it’s still going to go wrong.
Well, LLMs are capable (but hallucinant) and cost an absolute fuckton of energy. There have been purpose trained efficient ML models that we’ve used for years. Document Understanding and Computer Vision are great, just don’t use a LLM for them.
Our boss all but ordered us to have IT set this shit up on our PCs. So far I’ve been stalling, but I don’t know how long I can keep doing it.
Set it up. People have to find out by themselves.
Tell your boss you talked to legal and they caution that all copilot data is potentially discoverable.
same here, i mostly dont even use it on the phone. my bro is into it thought, thinking ai generate dpicture is good.
It’s a fun party trick for like a second, but at no point today did I need a picture of a goat in a sweater smoking three cigarettes while playing tic-tac-toe with a llama dressed as the Dalai Lama.
It’s great if you want to do a kids party invitation or something like that
That wasn’t that hard to do in the first place, and certainly isn’t worth the drinking water to cool whatever computer made that calculation for you.
The only feature that actually seems useful for on-device AI is voice to text that doesn’t need an Internet connection.
As someone who hates orally dictating my thoughts, that’s a no from me dawg, but I can kinda understand the appeal (though I’ll note offline TTS has been around for like a decade pre-AI)
Don’t care AND are not stupid.
I would actively avoid the extra hassle of an AI computer.
My problem is that it’s not that fucking useful. I got the Pixel 9 specifically because of its advertised AI chip for the assistant and I swear it’s just gotten worse since the Pixel 7. I used to be able to ask Google anything through the assistant, and now 90% of my questions are answered with “can’t find the information.”
They also advertised (or at least heavily alluded to) the use of the AI chip when you are in low network areas but it works just as good outside of 4g+ coverage as it ever did without the stupid chip.
Whats the point of adding AI branded nonsense if there’s no practical use for it. And that doesn’t even start to cover the issues with AI’s reliability as a source of information. Garbage in = garbage out.
When Gemini can find the information, they added flowery “social” bullshit before, in the middle and after the information I asked for wasting my time
i dint get a pixel for that reason after PIxel 5a died, the exonys chip is significantly weaker than other flagship phones, and they sacrificed thier battery power/efficiency capacity since 5A(which was a very defective phone) just to prop up AI.
We know google was saving money on not using QUALCOMM/snapdragon chips, which most others are using. AI is just thier excuse so they can put less effort into making quality product.
That’s not fair! I care! A lot!
Just had to buy a new laptop for new place of employment. It took real time, effort, and care, but I’ve finally found a recent laptop matching my hardware requirements and sense of aesthetics at a reasonable price, without that hideous copilot button :)
Which laptop did you buy if you don’t mind sharing?
Decided on this:
Still had some issues under Linux / NixOS a couple of weeks ago (hardware-wise everything worked; but specific programs, esp. Librewolf, will randomly start eating CPU and battery out of nowhere, with what looks like noops. Haven’t investigated further, yet.
sweet, glad to know it generally works with linux. this is available in my part of the world. been shopping around for a personal for-work laptop since my company is stingy. And I plan to move on anyways.
quite annoyed that the Snapdragon laptops are bootlocked cos they’d make great Linux boxes
How are they bootlocked? Just need the right iso. I have done it, because I didn’t know they came with Linux for this particular client and they put windows on it, had to get a specific iso to reinstall when they borked it.
oh really? I thought MS had demanded boot locking for the ARM laptops.
I’m not 100% sure, I just know I did it once. Let me see if I can get the iso I used for Linux.
The average technical person realises ai is shit.
The average non-technical person doesn’t need an ai computer, because chatgpt is free.not exactly true on the 2nd one, just because cpgt exist is not the reason an average person believes they dont need AI. they know AI is shit from the get-go, doesnt take a programming genius to realizing, when you know that only the corporations are the only ones obsessed with it, and it hadnt produced any valuble product.
and then had to deal with many AI system, like chat boxes, or google searches, especially on reddit.
they are useless… Copilot is not worth even $50 of an update
