And then the people all clapped and patted themselves on the back for saving the guy and went about their day. But the guy went back to the same life full of problems that led him to despair. Crippling debt or depression. Estrangement from loved ones that are no longer willing to reconnect. Loneliness or defamation or disease. It’s easy to save someone from jumping, but this is not help. That is not the help they need. They need constant and long term help, assistance, and support.
Saving a stranger from a suicide attempt has a vibe to it like preventing an abortion from happening without providing any further support for the mother or the child. Congrats, you saved a life, technically. But you did nothing to save the life.
No you dumbass they are going to be sent to get help.
Nearly everyone that attempts suicide and survives regrets trying and are glad they’ve failed.
Sorry for my strong language, but I’ve had friends and loved ones struggle with mental illness. A few have attempted suicide and either failed or have been stopped. I once took a friend’s gun the day before he tried to commit suicide. If I had not done that he would be dead today, but today he is happy. He has a life worth living and is doing infinitely better.
Suicide attempts are a mental health crisis. In that moment that person is not of a sound mind and incapable of making that decision.
This is nothing like going to a doctor and seeking a medical procedure like an abortion. If anything this is like a woman throwing herself down the stairs in an attempt to end a pregnancy. They don’t need to be allowed to throw themselves down the stairs. They need to be stopped and given access to proper medical care.
“Suicide attempts are a mental health crisis. In that moment that person is not of a sound mind and incapable of making that decision.”
That used to be the case for me as a kid. But lately it hasn’t been very emotional. I’m of completely sound mind. I just don’t particularly enjoy being alive anymore. Death seems peaceful. No pain, no taxes, no humans.
A mental health crisis doesn’t need to be emotional. You’ve described acute depression.
If you aren’t seeking it and can access healthcare do so. Things can get better. A lot in the world sucks, I won’t pretend that it doesn’t. But it all can be better even if it seems like it’s not.
I’ve definently cried and held friends after a suicide attempt and cried when taking them to the hospital and cried again numerous times through the process. It was worth it at the end.
Honestly I’d rather have people like you that realizes the flaws of the world around than people who think everything is great. Only those willing to acknowledge the flaws can work towards changing them. Doesn’t even have to be big just little stuff.
Take care of yourself. I know it’s hard to believe a random person cares, but I do. I’ve seen this all play out too often in my short time here to not care
Suicide attempts are a mental health crisis. In that moment that person is not of a sound mind and incapable of making that decision.
I disagree. Life can be awful and people can make rational decisions to die.
“Mental health crisis” and “incapable of making that decision” just are ways of saying “this person must be forced to give money to the mental health system through compliance with druggings and forced in-patient care that they will be billed for.”
You’re likely part of the mental health industry. Only one of “them” would think 30K in additional debt (paid to mental health workers/doctors) is always better than death.
I respect the right to die on your own terms, but when someone attempts suicide in such a public manner, and during the daytime with lots of bystanders around, I feel there’s a chance they might want to be “saved.”
Obviously following up and holistic support would be ideal. But even just putting myself in the shoes of someone walking by, I don’t think I’d be able to just keep walking if I saw someone climbing over the ledge. Just in case.
I had a close older family member attempt when they were in their twenties. They’re in their fifties and a ray of sunshine at family gatherings now. So you never know.
Because religious people have criminalized dying by choice, especially with assistance, it is impossible to parse out impulsive attempts from those who have highly rational reasons for wanting to die.
The solution to this, and many other problems, is simple: ban all religions.
I feel like the religion is more a mirror on society. See how more educated populations skew secular. The mainstream just does what it wants, sometimes gesturing to religion as an excuse. IMHO, anyway. I’m no anthropologist.
I’m definitely in favour of assisted dying. I know if I was planning my death I’d rather have some help. Shame we can’t get the churches involved — culturally, they’re well situated to provide a lot of comfort to certain people.
You’re likely part of the mental health industry. Only one of “them” would think 30K in additional debt (paid to mental health workers/doctors) is always better than death.
Not even close lol. A lot of other people can think suicide is bad too.
I’ve seen a lot of loved ones and friends struggle, but they got through. The debt was definently an issue. I’ve seen friends worried to get treatment due to the fear of lost wages and the medical debt. It is hard, but they got help and it all worked out. I do agree that medical debt is terrible and shouldn’t exist though.
This is why I dislike people who stop suicides. It’s their choice and their right. Mind your business, asshole
Ironically though, the ones who are driven to suicide are often the ones you want to keep around. The ones who cause the pain should be removed from our world
As a person who has been suicidal, I respect this opinion, but as a person who lost multiple family members to suicide, I wish someone had stopped them. The fact that nobody did is what keeps me around though, resentfully, because I don’t think my mom could handle it again. It’s a complicated feeling.
Same. My child texted “goodbye” to his friends and they saved him. OC, maybe you’d feel different if the suicide was a loved one, who didn’t tell you how they felt? Fuck any other outcome in my case.
What I think would be most ethical if I saw someone about to commit suicide by jumping (or other means) would just be to use my words to talk with them but not physically stop them.
And then the people all clapped and patted themselves on the back for saving the guy and went about their day. But the guy went back to the same life full of problems that led him to despair. Crippling debt or depression. Estrangement from loved ones that are no longer willing to reconnect. Loneliness or defamation or disease. It’s easy to save someone from jumping, but this is not help. That is not the help they need. They need constant and long term help, assistance, and support.
Saving a stranger from a suicide attempt has a vibe to it like preventing an abortion from happening without providing any further support for the mother or the child. Congrats, you saved a life, technically. But you did nothing to save the life.
No you dumbass they are going to be sent to get help.
Nearly everyone that attempts suicide and survives regrets trying and are glad they’ve failed.
Sorry for my strong language, but I’ve had friends and loved ones struggle with mental illness. A few have attempted suicide and either failed or have been stopped. I once took a friend’s gun the day before he tried to commit suicide. If I had not done that he would be dead today, but today he is happy. He has a life worth living and is doing infinitely better.
Suicide attempts are a mental health crisis. In that moment that person is not of a sound mind and incapable of making that decision.
This is nothing like going to a doctor and seeking a medical procedure like an abortion. If anything this is like a woman throwing herself down the stairs in an attempt to end a pregnancy. They don’t need to be allowed to throw themselves down the stairs. They need to be stopped and given access to proper medical care.
“Suicide attempts are a mental health crisis. In that moment that person is not of a sound mind and incapable of making that decision.”
That used to be the case for me as a kid. But lately it hasn’t been very emotional. I’m of completely sound mind. I just don’t particularly enjoy being alive anymore. Death seems peaceful. No pain, no taxes, no humans.
A mental health crisis doesn’t need to be emotional. You’ve described acute depression.
If you aren’t seeking it and can access healthcare do so. Things can get better. A lot in the world sucks, I won’t pretend that it doesn’t. But it all can be better even if it seems like it’s not.
I’ve definently cried and held friends after a suicide attempt and cried when taking them to the hospital and cried again numerous times through the process. It was worth it at the end.
Honestly I’d rather have people like you that realizes the flaws of the world around than people who think everything is great. Only those willing to acknowledge the flaws can work towards changing them. Doesn’t even have to be big just little stuff.
Take care of yourself. I know it’s hard to believe a random person cares, but I do. I’ve seen this all play out too often in my short time here to not care
I disagree. Life can be awful and people can make rational decisions to die.
“Mental health crisis” and “incapable of making that decision” just are ways of saying “this person must be forced to give money to the mental health system through compliance with druggings and forced in-patient care that they will be billed for.”
You’re likely part of the mental health industry. Only one of “them” would think 30K in additional debt (paid to mental health workers/doctors) is always better than death.
I respect the right to die on your own terms, but when someone attempts suicide in such a public manner, and during the daytime with lots of bystanders around, I feel there’s a chance they might want to be “saved.”
Obviously following up and holistic support would be ideal. But even just putting myself in the shoes of someone walking by, I don’t think I’d be able to just keep walking if I saw someone climbing over the ledge. Just in case.
I had a close older family member attempt when they were in their twenties. They’re in their fifties and a ray of sunshine at family gatherings now. So you never know.
Because religious people have criminalized dying by choice, especially with assistance, it is impossible to parse out impulsive attempts from those who have highly rational reasons for wanting to die.
The solution to this, and many other problems, is simple: ban all religions.
I feel like the religion is more a mirror on society. See how more educated populations skew secular. The mainstream just does what it wants, sometimes gesturing to religion as an excuse. IMHO, anyway. I’m no anthropologist.
I’m definitely in favour of assisted dying. I know if I was planning my death I’d rather have some help. Shame we can’t get the churches involved — culturally, they’re well situated to provide a lot of comfort to certain people.
Not even close lol. A lot of other people can think suicide is bad too.
I’ve seen a lot of loved ones and friends struggle, but they got through. The debt was definently an issue. I’ve seen friends worried to get treatment due to the fear of lost wages and the medical debt. It is hard, but they got help and it all worked out. I do agree that medical debt is terrible and shouldn’t exist though.
There’s a chance someone else in that crowd understood and began taking daily time to interact with the man. It’s not impossible.
You just doubled the abortion prevention vibe
This is why I dislike people who stop suicides. It’s their choice and their right. Mind your business, asshole
Ironically though, the ones who are driven to suicide are often the ones you want to keep around. The ones who cause the pain should be removed from our world
As a person who has been suicidal, I respect this opinion, but as a person who lost multiple family members to suicide, I wish someone had stopped them. The fact that nobody did is what keeps me around though, resentfully, because I don’t think my mom could handle it again. It’s a complicated feeling.
I’m grateful someone stopped my daughter’s suicide.
Same. My child texted “goodbye” to his friends and they saved him. OC, maybe you’d feel different if the suicide was a loved one, who didn’t tell you how they felt? Fuck any other outcome in my case.
Adolescence and young adulthood are such flashpoints for self harm, and it’s true that some people just grow out of it.
What I think would be most ethical if I saw someone about to commit suicide by jumping (or other means) would just be to use my words to talk with them but not physically stop them.