This attitude is unproductive. He still died protecting his family. Martin Luther stood up to the establishment and is seen as a hero as such, even though he carried antisemitic views. Churchill was a hero in fighting nazism, even though he used terminology in memoirs that weren’t very politically correct. Sure, Corey was flawed in that he was supporting trump (which a large amount of Americans were doing), but it’s not worth saying his life had no value over it, especially when he died shielding his family.
About six minutes into Trump’s speech, Crooks fired eight shots from a roofjust outside the rally’s perimeter, one striking Trump’s right ear and one striking and killing Corey as he sheltered his family.
The Laws of the Realm may punish Christian men with death, for heinous and grievous offences.
It is lawful for Christian men, at the commandment of the Magistrate, to wear weapons, and serve in the wars.
However, many other people may have other stances
##Christian arguments in favour of capital punishment
Some Christians argue that capital punishment helps to maintain order and protection in society.
The Bible sets down the death penalty for some crimes, so it must be acceptable to God. This is often seen as retribution.
The Church of England has not repealed the statement in Article 37 of its Thirty Nine Articles which says, “The Laws of the Realm may punish Christian men with death for heinous and grievous offences.”
Saint Thomas Aquinas argued that peace in society was more important than reforming the sinner. He reflects the Roman Catholic Church’s teaching that the protection of the whole of society is more important than the individual.
##Christian arguments against capital punishment
Some Christians would argue that capital punishment can never be justified. They would say this because:
They believe Jesus Christ came to Earth to reform sinners, as he did with the woman caught in adultery in John 8:1-11.
Jesus amended the
Old Testament teaching on retribution in Matthew 5:38-39 when he said, “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.”
Christians believe in the sanctity of life – this means that life is holy and belongs to God, therefore only God has the power to take life. In Romans 12:17-19 it states, "Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody … Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: ‘It is mine to revenge; I will repay, says the Lord.’”
I wouldn’t say that voting for Trump would make you a bad person. Or supporting him in the context that you believe he is better than the opposition. But it is down to reasoning also. Kamala Harris made some blunders or had policies which may have caused people to withhold their vote from her out of conscience.
If someone is supporting trump because they believe abortion is murder and that Trump could end it, or that his economic policies are somehow better, or that he’d better society, I wouldn’t see them as a bad person. I would, however, if it was because they held hatred of a racist, homophobic or a transphobic nature. I don’t think simply supporting trump could make you a bad person, but the reasons you do could make you one.
Yeah I’m not really interested in the politics side and I think the death penalty has a lot more variables. Religion is it’s own can of worms for sure.
It was more of a kind moral question I stumbled into when thinking about it. If there were such a person that was a “bad person” and they did a good act resulting in their death, is that a net good for society and is it right to cheer it on. I think it is a net good, but cheering at death just seems hard to justify.
He was a volunteer firefighter. I reckon he was benefit to society. I wouldn’t cheer a death lightly.
Another thing is, people can be indoctrinated/misled into supporting Trump. I find a lot of passive supporters or believers in conspiracy theories seem to be moreso victims. Trump can pay lip service to Corey, but we all know that deep down, he is glad it was Corey and not him.
Another case is Ashli Babbitt. I think it’s a tragedy that she was misled, groomed and indoctrinated into storming the United States parliament building, but her shooting was still justified. She was part of a mob that was going after Mike Pence. She was possibly led to believe that what she was doing was fighting for her country. But it was still a tragedy that she was there and not at home with her family, even though the killing was necessary, given the circumstances.
Personally, I wouldn’t condemn people celebrating the deaths of the likes of Trump, Putin or Netanyahu if they were shot. In fact, I would probably be happy myself - especially if Putin.
I also don’t think the execution of your CEO guy by Luigi was unjustified either, and don’t have a problem with people celebrating that. But these are people in power directly responsible for making the world worse. You can be indirectly responsible for making the world worse and not know it. Such as misled voters (I used to be misled into thinking Brexit was a good thing)
Even when it comes to power, for example, I wouldn’t celebrate the death of Lis Truss. She was stupid, but not malicious enough.
It’s sad to see this sort of toxicity. People are neither just good or just bad, and so no one should have to to justify their right to not be killed. Human life is precious, even if they vote Republican.
If they vote Republican they’re currently expecting me to justify my right to not be killed. That doesn’t sound very precious to me, that sounds like a dangerous threat to my life.
Yes, the only thing wrong with Churchill was his use of slurs. It’s not like he ever condemned millions of people to death in the name of profits, especially not in Bengal.
This attitude is unproductive. He still died protecting his family. Martin Luther stood up to the establishment and is seen as a hero as such, even though he carried antisemitic views. Churchill was a hero in fighting nazism, even though he used terminology in memoirs that weren’t very politically correct. Sure, Corey was flawed in that he was supporting trump (which a large amount of Americans were doing), but it’s not worth saying his life had no value over it, especially when he died shielding his family.
His life didn’t have no value. It had negative value. Just like every other brain dead asshole who still supports that orange turd.
Protecting them from what? There was one shot.
BBC News - ‘It didn’t have to happen’: Wife of man killed at Trump rally struggles with loss
There were eight shots
My bad, one shot that hit him.
Really thinking about it, politics aside. If he was a bad person, is a bad person dying doing a good thing something that would be praised?
Depends on your stance on the death penalty.
Article 37 of Anglicanism holds the stance:
However, many other people may have other stances
Source: BBC Bitesize, CCEA Religious Studies
I wouldn’t say that voting for Trump would make you a bad person. Or supporting him in the context that you believe he is better than the opposition. But it is down to reasoning also. Kamala Harris made some blunders or had policies which may have caused people to withhold their vote from her out of conscience.
If someone is supporting trump because they believe abortion is murder and that Trump could end it, or that his economic policies are somehow better, or that he’d better society, I wouldn’t see them as a bad person. I would, however, if it was because they held hatred of a racist, homophobic or a transphobic nature. I don’t think simply supporting trump could make you a bad person, but the reasons you do could make you one.
Yeah I’m not really interested in the politics side and I think the death penalty has a lot more variables. Religion is it’s own can of worms for sure.
It was more of a kind moral question I stumbled into when thinking about it. If there were such a person that was a “bad person” and they did a good act resulting in their death, is that a net good for society and is it right to cheer it on. I think it is a net good, but cheering at death just seems hard to justify.
He was a volunteer firefighter. I reckon he was benefit to society. I wouldn’t cheer a death lightly.
Another thing is, people can be indoctrinated/misled into supporting Trump. I find a lot of passive supporters or believers in conspiracy theories seem to be moreso victims. Trump can pay lip service to Corey, but we all know that deep down, he is glad it was Corey and not him. Another case is Ashli Babbitt. I think it’s a tragedy that she was misled, groomed and indoctrinated into storming the United States parliament building, but her shooting was still justified. She was part of a mob that was going after Mike Pence. She was possibly led to believe that what she was doing was fighting for her country. But it was still a tragedy that she was there and not at home with her family, even though the killing was necessary, given the circumstances.
Personally, I wouldn’t condemn people celebrating the deaths of the likes of Trump, Putin or Netanyahu if they were shot. In fact, I would probably be happy myself - especially if Putin.
I also don’t think the execution of your CEO guy by Luigi was unjustified either, and don’t have a problem with people celebrating that. But these are people in power directly responsible for making the world worse. You can be indirectly responsible for making the world worse and not know it. Such as misled voters (I used to be misled into thinking Brexit was a good thing)
Even when it comes to power, for example, I wouldn’t celebrate the death of Lis Truss. She was stupid, but not malicious enough.
He was a fucking traitor. His family, and the world, is better off without him passing his ignorant treasonous ideas down to his children.
Braindead take.
It’s sad to see this sort of toxicity. People are neither just good or just bad, and so no one should have to to justify their right to not be killed. Human life is precious, even if they vote Republican.
If someone dies campaigning for the deaths of innocent people I don’t feel sorry for them. It’s that simple. Sorry if basic karma is offensive to you.
Agreed. However, this guy wasn’t campaigning for the deaths of innocent people.
If they vote Republican they’re currently expecting me to justify my right to not be killed. That doesn’t sound very precious to me, that sounds like a dangerous threat to my life.
Yes, the only thing wrong with Churchill was his use of slurs. It’s not like he ever condemned millions of people to death in the name of profits, especially not in Bengal.