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  • Michael@slrpnk.netEnglish
    7·
    2 days ago

    So according to the “comeback retreat” hosted by the “center-left” group Third Way; the Democrats are too “beholden” to their “far-left members”, they are dismissive of people without progressive views, and the Democrats also need to “embrace patriotism”.

    I’m pretty sure people don’t like Democrats because they keep moving right, they seem to be too focused on maintaining the status quo and alienating progressives, and now they’re essentially complicit with a fascist regime.

    Sounds like a winning strategy to continue the move to the right and push progressive and “far-left” voices out. No wonder Bernie essentially threw Democrats under the bus in a podcast recently.

    • aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com
      35·
      3 days ago

      The agitators on lemmy definitely push the idea that centrism is bad. But in reality, the progressive candidates get <1% of the vote.

      The far-leftists who don’t do so well will never be happy, falling for the trap of “I only support candidates 100% aligned with pure progressive values” results in Trump winning.

      • resipsaloquitur@lemm.ee
        3·
        2 days ago

        How did Harris do after securing that all-important Dick/Liz Cheney endorsement?

        Keep telling yourself the next hard swing to the right will be the one that gets democrats back in control.

          • resipsaloquitur@lemm.ee
            1·
            2 days ago

            “Others” like wildly popular Bernie Sanders, who has a wildly popular platform? Or others like AOC, who is also wildly popular, but was passed over for a key committee chairmanship for a geriatric Dem lifer with literal throat cancer who promptly died.

            Is there any better metaphor for the corpo Dems?

      • Michael@slrpnk.netEnglish
        3·
        3 days ago

        The agitators on lemmy definitely push the idea that centrism is bad.

        Centrism gets absolutely nothing done.

        falling for the trap of “I only support candidates 100% aligned with pure progressive values” results in Trump winning.

        Kamala lost because she did not run on any progressive policies and shifted center-right. Supporting fracking got her zero brownie points in PA, for example. She really didn’t run on anything impactful - she was continuing a lot of Biden’s policies, refused to list her policies until very late in the race, and was mainly running on not being Trump. What she was proposing was entirely insufficient to attract voters.

        Did you forget about Obama’s successes? He arguably ran on a progressive platform and his success was explosive.

        But in reality, the progressive candidates get <1% of the vote.

        Gee, I wonder why that is. Progressives generally being anti-corporatist and against funding Іsrаеl unsurprisingly makes Super PACs and foreign agents like АІPАϹ spend lots of money to beat them. All funding should be from small donors to even the playing field - campaign finance reform is needed for fair and democratic elections.

        People vote based on name recognition and what benefits they get by voting for a particular candidate - they aren’t repulsed by progressive policies, they usually just don’t know about progressive candidates or about their policies. Or they are told by mainstream media that the progressive candidate has no chance of winning and to vote for the establishment to beat Republicans.

        The far-leftists who don’t do so well will never be happy

        There are no “far-leftists” in the Democratic party, it’s a right party. All capitalists are firmly on the right and socialists are on the left. There’s very few people who classify themselves as democratic socialists or who are left-leaning. Being a progressive does not make you left-leaning or a democratic socialist - see Elizabeth Warren as an example (she is a progressive capitalist).