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    I’m tired of the future being destroyed by capitalists/christian nationalists. That’s been happening for hundreds and thousands of years, every time they gain power, no matter where or when. Republicans are relatively new to this game.

    I’m also tired of society having to relearn this lesson at great loss of life and suffering, over and over.

    We’re smarter than this, and we far outnumber them.

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    Im tired of the purely performative nonsense in modern democratic party as well. For the resources and votes that go their way they always find a way to deliver nothing, or actively betray us all. Supporting far rightwing genocide, pissing on progressives and progressive causes, and utterly ignoring the working class in the last ~10 elections (since Carter) are prime examples of this.

    Time to toss the traitors out the door and clean this party out.

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    This is a long standing plan mainly by the Heritage Foundation and the GOP. Musk hacked vote tabulations to deliver them a victory and they’re quickly dismantling America. They stand to inherit lifelong positions in the government without actual elections similar to Russia. There are less than a few thousand people responsible for all of this. Societies degrade rapidly under these scenarios. Remember them when if that happens.

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      Musk hacked vote tabulations

      No he didn’t. Unfortunately, americans are just that stupid. Thats the same rhetoric conservatives were trying to use when they lied about dominion.

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    As an outsider you’re both just as bad as each other, Republicans and Democrats

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    Not just Republicans, conservatives in general. All Republicans are conservative, but many Democrats are as well. That needs to change.

    Mamdani shows it’s possible to start the purge of the DNC. We need to continue that. Primary every last conservative. Drive them from the DNC, drive them from politics, drive them from political discourse and public life. Authoritarianism must be crushed, Constitutional rights must be restored, and common sense policies for real people must be enacted. If we can’t achieve that, then all is lost and totalitarian neofeudalism will prevail.

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      Mamdani shows it’s possible to start the purge of the DNC.

      Just worth saying again for the tankies that are very passionate, but seemingly not enough to vote or organize material change. As disappointing as the dems maybe they are still the home of the little progressive wing we have, and we should work into growing it.

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      Not just Republicans, conservatives in general.

      You are correct! I tend to use the two interchangeably when I know that conservatives pushes out to a larger group.

      And frankly, anyone who acts like this was just another election where one side lost is only slightly higher on the totem pole than conservatives are.

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      A part of purging the dem party means not voting for conservatives if they win the primary. There is a reason the conservatives win primaries despite having less popular policies than the progressives. A conservative dem losing a general purges the party of one more conservative who got us here.

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    I’m tired of both Democrats and Republicans destroying the future, and people pretending Democrats don’t because they do it slightly less

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      Inb4 somebody starts saying you are just demoralizing people by saying “both sides are bad”

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        No, we really weren’t. America has always been a pretty shit country to anyone who wasn’t owning class. Any good that came about during the course of this country’s existence was in spite of it not because of it.

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          There was a brief time under FDR where we were doing ok. Not much of a legacy to be proud of in light of all the years we got it wrong, but it at least shows we are capable of better.

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            FDR was simply concessions by the state to placate the working people from gaining class consciousness after a long period of working class uprisings. After that brief time was the rise of McCarthyism and the 2nd Red Scare to ensure that the American working class forever opposes left-wing, working class economics, setting the stage for their systemic dismantling of the few concessions we were granted by FDR.

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      Left or right we’re getting fucked one way or the other. The whole foundation’s been corrupted to the core.

      It’s like every debate, any talk of politics is pointless and anything truly reasonable is quickly surpassed overpassed by political “sports team” entertainment while people with real [heartless] willpower continue to do what they do. And I mean that from the streets to the president. The corruption is the same essence and the same evil at any wealth status, education, or social position and all of it is the rotted part of the foundation the country is built upon.

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        Truth mate. This country and the entirety of its government is structurally designed to consolidate wealth into the hands of the owning class. It has been such for so long it is baked into our very culture of American society.

        We need revolt and a new system of not only economics but of government that horizontally distributes authority throughout the community instead of concentrating it into a hierarchical structure that can be turned against us if the wrong person lands a seat of power.

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          Exactly. I worked in marketing… They can use everything. You hate America? They can profit off that. You love America? …they can profit of that. All the while partially guiding you to a preset life-path that they manipulate to profit off you even more. I honestly think genuine honest humanity is extinct. We are a culturally mutilated species at this point even physically in some cases. This isn’t living, they created a culture that is proud to be products, basically bought, sold, or traded for profit.

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        You don’t really have a left, not at the moment. It’s getting better but oh my god the disasters it took for your shithole country to start to rally…

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          It is wierd isn’t it. Like having grown up in the middle class I can see why so many ran to the Republicans. It’s a short sighted nostalgia party that preys on people who don’t pay attention or whov been indoctrinated to only watch right wing media.

          But the hubris of the Democrats and even just some left leaning voters is kinda wild.

          But the real problem is the lack of attention local elections get from average folks. Iv been guilty of this as well, and it buggers me good that I never really learned of their importance till I was already like 34

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        That seems like a completely nihilistic and empty view of politics. What do you even actually think a society that isn’t “corrupt” (or at least is less corrupt) could look like? How can you blame the people with no power at all just as much as the president?

        Blaming everyone for everything is basically the same as blaming nobody for anything.

        It’s fine to think that the vast majority of people believe in propaganda or are worried about things that don’t matter.

        My main problem really is with you saying “any talk of politics is pointless”. It’s just complete doomerism.

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          Two groups that love to say “Both sides are the same.”

          People on the Left who have given up hope.

          People on the Right when they get caught being evil.

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            whereas centrists talk about doing good and then line up behind evil, then fingerwag like everyone else got it wrong.

            The current state of the US is because of centrist leadership, so well done buddy.

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        When your “left” is just Diet-Republicans that are less hateful on social issues? Your perspective makes total sense.

        And to be fair? That is what the Democrats have served you. And I hate them harder then Republicans hate them. For this reason.

        I would like to invite you to a Solution-Oriented American Left in Zohran Memdani, Eugene Debbs, or Bernie Sanders.

        This is not the End of what the Left is. This is only where it Starts. we have entire books about the rich American history the Democrats-since-Clinton have entirely abandoned.

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        Nothing makes the Right happier than when someone on the Left says that there’s no hope.

        Look at NYC. The Dem candidate for Mayor is being threatened with deportation and arrest for being a Communist.

        The fight isn’t over until we give up.

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      Who just so happen to wholeheartedly support the Republican agenda in the US, with the exception of Gates.

      You don’t make billions by supporting fair wages, labor unions, health and safety regulations, affordable and accessible healthcare, social programs, socialized infrastructure, and higher taxes on the wealthy.

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          Yes but somehow those are way less agressive at taking away your rights and even try to make the world moderately better. It’s the difference between the guys hacking holes in the boat and the ones not fixing the holes fast enough. Sure, both are letting the boat sink, but there does seem a serious difference.

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        To be fair, there are plenty of billionaires backing the dems too, they’re just a bit more subtle about their intentions, but they are not pioneers of the working class.

        Of course the dems getting in in 2024 mightve slowed the roll of fascism, but it would’ve just delayed it rather than solved any of the underlying issues. With the exception of some truly progressive members of the party, the dems are basically just there to uphold the status quo.

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              I think you misunderstood the meme lol.

              The meme is saying capitalists support both sides (dems and gop) so they come out on top over the working class

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                Ohhh I thought you were accusing me of being a capitalist because you misinterpreted me as playing the “both sides” argument (this is why i was confused, but i do see people saying this kind of shit online).

                I see it now, carry on!

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          Most of the billionaires that back the republicans also back the democrats, and the democrats also have their fair share of billionaires funding/controlling their candidates all their own. It is a uni-party system that puts on a kabuki show of ‘right vs left’ for their entertainment. Stop buying tickets for it!

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            Yes exactly!!

            I understand the frustration around those saying the parties are the same, I really do, because in the short term, the chaos of the Trump administration would not be happening if Kamala were to get in, but I’m personally extremely frustrated by people putting the dems/kamala on a pedestal as if they were going to do anything to actually help people.

            It’s an oligarchy through and through. Kamala wouldve prevented a lot of the mass deportation, but she wouldn’t have prevented the wars across the world, and she would’ve done very little to close the wealth gap between rich and poor.

            The only thing that’ll cause real change is for the working class to finally realize that the billionaires are our real enemy and there are a lot more of us than there are of them.

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              Yeah, people forget that Democrats have fully adopted Republican immigration policy. Look at the actual deportation numbers. They were higher under Obama than under Trump. Trump is just a lot louder about it. And Kamala supported building the border wall.