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“Because green skyscrapers and high-rises are a bullshit non-solution to serious systemic problems.”

“But if you want greenery on a building nonetheless, do I have an idea for you – a portable, modular, scalable solution called ‘potted plants on your balcony’.”

  • Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    I just like the idea. It don’t solve anything. However more greenery is better than less.

    Sucks up pollution. Hells with depression. Hells with pollinators and bugs. Can’t really see a downside

    • DessertStorms@kbin.social
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      5 months ago

      Can’t really see a downside

      The downside is almost certainly structural (significant weight as well as moisture, and a need for long term structural integrity and safety, likely don’t pair well. Especially not when the people doing the building are looking for cost effectiveness).

      • HanzAndHisFlammenwerfer@eviltoast.org
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        5 months ago

        If you don’t build with cardboard this problem is very easy to solve, its called putting a goddam Pond liner between the dirt and the structure itself.

        And the weigh isn’t a issue with low buildings, say 10 to 20 floor that aren’t made from cardboard, and higher than that is inefficient in all regards anyway and should be avoided.

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          5 months ago

          its called putting a goddam Pond liner between the dirt and the structure itself.

          lol, sure, that sounds super fucking safe… 🙄

          I suggest you look in to building regulations and how developers do their utmost to circumvent them before you speak with such confidence about something you clearly know nothing about… fucking pond liner smmfh… 😂🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

          • HanzAndHisFlammenwerfer@eviltoast.org
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            5 months ago

            Idk the English word for it, but there is a kind of foil that is water resistant and where roots cant go through, as long as its not a tree or something at least. Its put between the foundation and the walls to stop water from below.

            Pond liner is just what the translator got out, its probably incorrect.

            Also im talking about this

            Not planting literal trees on balconys, that would be a structural problem, yes. But small shrubs and Twiners would do the trick as well if not better in regards of cooling and weight. They also don’t need much soil or and significantly less water.

            Also can you stop spamming emojis?

            • DessertStorms@kbin.social
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              5 months ago

              Lmmfao
              “spamming emojis”… 😂
              Get over yourself
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              Oh, and it doesn’t matter what you call it, the thing you’re talking about isn’t a solution (not only, as you say yourself, is it only “suitable” for bare minimum greenery, so not even relevant to the discussion about proper plants growing on buildings, it also doesn’t actually do that good a job, I suggest as well as looking up building regulations, you look up what walls look like, but more importantly in what poor condition it is under that crap once it’s taken/falls off, and how many architects and builders despise the stuff).

              So to recap - get over yourself, doubling down on being wrong, however confidently, won’t suddenly make you right, nor will criticising the use of emojis because you have a stick so far up your ass you can’t even bend over lmfao (here’s a hint though: the less of an ass you are, the less likely people are to post laughing emojis at you)
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              😂😂😂

      • Nighed@sffa.community
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        5 months ago

        For now, if richish people want to pay for it in their flat, go for it. (It would be interesting to see the carbon cost of the extra materials though!) They can pay for the building and maintenance, and everyone else gets a cool building to look at.

        The hopefully the kinks get worked out and it can be done cheaper on other buildings.

          • HanzAndHisFlammenwerfer@eviltoast.org
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            5 months ago

            Depends on the plants…

            Also… Humans are mostly water as well if you go by that. I know my balcony supports 3,2 (+ the required tolerance) metric Tons of weight on a area of 10 square meters.

            I could plant a tree there. Probably more than one. And these building concepts are rather about small plants, so the weight shouldn’t be a problem if you build with Reinforced Concrete like a normal person.

            • SuiXi3D@kbin.social
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              5 months ago

              Except that plants grow… and grow, and grow. Unless they’re maintained, which takes additional labor and people and infrastructure to handle, all of which adds even more weight.

              • HanzAndHisFlammenwerfer@eviltoast.org
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                5 months ago

                As said, you don’t need to use trees or gigantic plants, use Twiners and shrubs, they cover the whole facade and don’t way that much, yet they do the same, if not a better job at keeping the building cool and the air cleaner. They don’t need much maintenance and they don’t grow indefinitely, if the plant cant reach more facade it stops, only thing is you have to regularly cut the plants around the windows, wich isn’t a gigantic problem.

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          5 months ago

          Well if we’re talking fully grown oak trees for some stupid reason it’d be heavy, but most of the plants people point at in these things would be light as fuck. The dirt for the planters would probably be heavier.

        • DessertStorms@kbin.social
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          5 months ago

          Plants + dirt + water = significant additional weight to consider when designing a building for the people and their furniture…

          Buildings today are already being designed with only the bare essentials in mind, they aren’t even built with safety in mind only cost effectiveness (see Grenfell and million other buildings like it that should be condemned).

          I never said it can’t be done, but the person I replied to asked what the downside is, and from a developers’ point of view, that will be it.