I think the middle person is living on the military grade hopium where there’s bound to be a revolution that solves everything, it’s just around the corner too. So why bother trying to get small wins or even slow down the worsening conditions. Revolution will fix everything.
There’s a chapter in uncle Bob’s book Clean Code about how everybody dreams of a grand redesign in the sky, but that it never really works out in the end.
There are only so many ways to get the kind of society that works, and far too many ways for it top go wrong. It’s kind of a crazy idea to think that burning it down and starting over would be beneficial.
Everybody thinks they’ll come out on top after a “revolution” but they almost certainly will not. Such chaos is far more likely to help than hurt fascists. That’s kind of their jam.
called for the end of bureaucracy, centralisation of power as well as patriarchy, proposing term limits to the leading positions in China and advocating the “democratic centralism” as well as the “collective leadership”.
Deng emphasized that the Constitution must be able to protect the civil rights of Chinese citizens and must reflect the principle of separation of powers; he also described the idea of “collective leadership” and championed the principle of “one man, one vote” among leaders to avoid the dictatorship of the General Secretary of CCP.
Unfortunately, the pro-democracy crowd lost, because they sided with Tiananmen square student protest. Their defeat eventually leads to the Tiananmen Square massacre.
So there might be a bizarre alternative world where Tiananmen Square protest did not happen and China is now a democracy…
The pro-democracy leaders were all weakened after Tiananmen Square massacre:
During the 1989 Tian’anmen square protests, he was one of the very few Chinese senior officials to express understandings with the demonstrating students, which led to his arrest shortly before the June Fourth incident.
The bizarre alternative world isn’t even where the protests didn’t happen, it’s where agents of foreign governments and local fanatics didn’t hijack/build them up with the explicit goal of producing as much bloodshed as possible.
I was hoping tankies won’t have a conspiracy theory about one of the most tragic event of human kind, but I guess I overestimated humanity.
These well-educated, progressive, and ambitious students, passionated about a brighter future for China. They share the same vision and drive as the founding fathers of CCP.
Their requirements has always been clear: build a progressive democratic government in Hu Yaobang’s vision, and purge the conservatives like Li Peng from CCP, which is founded upon a progressive vision of China. Thus, they are needlessly and brutally murdered by conservatives who seek to stabilize their own power.
If you work for the CCP, I doubt I will be able to project any sense into your brain. I can only hope these word might be helpful for readers of your comments to gain some context.
Okay, I guess Chai Ling never existed and the multiple admitted connections to western regime change programs of three letter agencies are all cpc propaganda?
It’s one thing to say that the events are tragic and that it would have been good if dengist students could have implemented reforms, a sentiment I mostly agree with, it’s another entirely to suggest that there was no manipulation towards violence by people either directly or indirectly tied to western intelligence operations.
E: autocorrect dengist -> dentist where’s my denguin holding a pick hexbear emoji?
Correct, that’s what I’m trying to say. The chaos resulting from the US interference led to the current regime using other factions to, ultimately, get into power and quickly turn against. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
I think the middle person is living on the military grade hopium where there’s bound to be a revolution that solves everything, it’s just around the corner too. So why bother trying to get small wins or even slow down the worsening conditions. Revolution will fix everything.
Any day now…
There’s a chapter in uncle Bob’s book Clean Code about how everybody dreams of a grand redesign in the sky, but that it never really works out in the end.
I’m sure the same would apply to laws of society.
Quoting Uncle Bob in this context isn’t the best idea though
Is it ever? :)
There are only so many ways to get the kind of society that works, and far too many ways for it top go wrong. It’s kind of a crazy idea to think that burning it down and starting over would be beneficial.
Everybody thinks they’ll come out on top after a “revolution” but they almost certainly will not. Such chaos is far more likely to help than hurt fascists. That’s kind of their jam.
See: Iran.
AAAAnd China.
There were a time China was stepping towards democracy, through internal CCP reform ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China#Political_reforms ):
Unfortunately, the pro-democracy crowd lost, because they sided with Tiananmen square student protest. Their defeat eventually leads to the Tiananmen Square massacre.
So there might be a bizarre alternative world where Tiananmen Square protest did not happen and China is now a democracy…
The pro-democracy leaders were all weakened after Tiananmen Square massacre:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhao_Ziyang
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Qili
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bao_Tong
The bizarre alternative world isn’t even where the protests didn’t happen, it’s where agents of foreign governments and local fanatics didn’t hijack/build them up with the explicit goal of producing as much bloodshed as possible.
I was hoping tankies won’t have a conspiracy theory about one of the most tragic event of human kind, but I guess I overestimated humanity.
These well-educated, progressive, and ambitious students, passionated about a brighter future for China. They share the same vision and drive as the founding fathers of CCP.
Their requirements has always been clear: build a progressive democratic government in Hu Yaobang’s vision, and purge the conservatives like Li Peng from CCP, which is founded upon a progressive vision of China. Thus, they are needlessly and brutally murdered by conservatives who seek to stabilize their own power.
If you work for the CCP, I doubt I will be able to project any sense into your brain. I can only hope these word might be helpful for readers of your comments to gain some context.
Okay, I guess Chai Ling never existed and the multiple admitted connections to western regime change programs of three letter agencies are all cpc propaganda?
It’s one thing to say that the events are tragic and that it would have been good if dengist students could have implemented reforms, a sentiment I mostly agree with, it’s another entirely to suggest that there was no manipulation towards violence by people either directly or indirectly tied to western intelligence operations.
E: autocorrect dengist -> dentist where’s my denguin holding a pick hexbear emoji?
Oh true! Great point, that example slipped my mind but very on point.
Uh, US interference in Iran directly contributed to current affairs of Iran.
Correct, that’s what I’m trying to say. The chaos resulting from the US interference led to the current regime using other factions to, ultimately, get into power and quickly turn against. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
Me, living in Paris in 1926, excited about how the new commune movement will fix everything permanently
Me, moving to Shanghai two years later, because that are the odds of this happening twice?
Also known as accelerationism, yeah