• w00tabaga@lemm.ee
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      Leaking confidential information, as damning as it may be, is illegal.

      Again, try saying anything bad about Putin or Russia in Russia. At least I can speak freely and scream from the rooftops about the shitty parts of the US. Go ahead.

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        no, he didn’t leak shit, he published leaked information what the hell.

        and you can only do that right now because the ruling class isn’t concerned about possible socialist revolution, I advise you to read up on the 1st and 2nd Red Scares!

        (also, who fucking cares if you can complain about something if you can’t actually change the situation???)

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          So when a cop kills an innocent person I’m just not supposed to be upset?

          Again, I can spread the word and my viewpoint and not be arrested/killed, at least legally. It’s not like Biden or Trump could have had me killed for saying it.

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            at least legally.

            in awe at this one. Once again, if they think you’re a threat to state power do you think they give a single flying fuck about what’s legal/illegal? do you think what’s being done to Assange is actually legal? he didn’t leak anything, he just published information given to him. Once again, if the there was a serious socialist threat to this country I promise you would be arrested/killed no matter what if it became known you were a vocal dissident, legality be damned

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          So when a cop kills an innocent person I’m just not supposed to be upset?

          Again, I can spread the word and my viewpoint and not be arrested/killed, at least legally. It’s not like Biden or Trump could have had me killed for saying it.

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            Whoa slow down, where did this cop come from? I swear you people are so morally bankrupt, you have to try and mindtrick someone into agreeing w/ a completely unrelated question. It’s so jarring and deceitful to read

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            The Uhuru House publically opposed the war effort in Ukraine and got raided, then had a bunch of their members locked up for allegedly being in cahoots with Russians. By default, your bullshit’s refuted.

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        Rooftops are generally a good place to speek freely, even in an oppressive country.

        Try speaking about US atrocities at work. If you lose your job, you’re not free.

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          I used to work for the US government and we all talked shit about it at work. So your making shit up

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            Working at the dmv and talking about how incompetent bureaucracy are isn’t the kind of talking we’re talking about

            Go work for a railroad and try to organize a general strike and tell me how safe you feel

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              I don’t feel like I’d be arrested or put to death if that’s what your asking?

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              I don’t feel like I’d be arrested or put to death if that’s what your asking?

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              I don’t feel like I’d be arrested or put to death if that’s what your asking?

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                people get arrested during strikes and protests all the time in America. of course, you would justify it as “actually they were breaking Clause 8 of Section 9A so it was against the law and they shouldn’t have done it!” without questioning if that law might possibly have been drawn up specifically to punish those people because the government couldn’t do it legally before. no, all laws in America come straight out of the Founding Father’s dick as a glorious bukkake for us all to share freely, while in tyrannical states like Russia and China, all laws are to be questioned and/or drawn up by the supreme ruler himself because he was really extra totalitarian that day

                never try idealism kids, it turns you into this

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        Damn thats crazy, the shit that might hurt the state is illegal(and therefore presumably justifiable to punish) while you get to do all the intellectual jerkoffs you want with no effect on anything?

        Real lucky you get to live in freedomland.

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          So saying you disagree with something your government did is hurting the state? Lol

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        At least I can say the US has done some terrible shit without getting arrested or killed.

        Leaking confidential information, as damning as it may be, is illegal.

        Do you see how these two statements cannot be true at the same time?

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          Again, purposely digging up confidential information and then exposing it is illegal.

          Talking realistically and honestly about something is freedom of speech.

          If you are that dense that you think those are the same things, then I might as well talk to a brick wall.

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            Again, purposely digging up confidential information and then exposing it is illegal.

            Going up to Snowden and saying “Erm, sir, you might have told us that the American government is spying on us every moment of our lives, but, erm, actshually, doing that was illegal, so unfortunately, sir, you are not epic and you don’t deserve freedom of speech protections”

            what an absolute fucking dweeb, holy shit

            I will go tell Putin to make it “confidential information” that he’s a bad person, then maybe you’ll shut the fuck up for a single moment of your life because a bootlicker like you will be forced to obey it if you ever go there

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          that’s impossible, the entire Russian army has been destroyed a hundred times now by Ukraine, over 15 million Russian troops have been killed last time I checked, there are no snipers left

          the Zaporozhye front is just the Ukrainians doing a giant war re-enactment of what would have happened if there were any Russians left alive, but due to the 1:984219 casualty ratio, there aren’t any Russians left

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            you mean there are not snipers in every square meter of siberia watching out for siberian separatists?

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          He probably would if he could.

          Damn the butthurt Russians are out in force today.

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            You cant even meaningfully add to a joke bc youre so childishly resentful. You take this arguing so much more seriously than us while we just casually have the information youre missing, and it looks hilarious.

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            Imagine being so chauvinistic that you’re outright unable to conceive of the idea that someone might hold an opinion for any reason other than blind patriotism. You’ve become brainwashed to a point where you can’t imagine that the governments of the United States and its allies, which have been caught spreading or taking advantage of lie after lie after lie after lie after lie in order to achieve geopolitical victories over nations they considered to be a political or economic threat, might be lying in their characterization of the government of Russia, which has repeatedly stood in the way of American and Western European attempts to both expand into Ukraine and the rest of Eastern Europe politically, as well as exploit Ukraine economically.

            I need you to understand that I am not being hyperbolic when I say that you and people who share your views are what is wrong with humanity in the present day. As long as people like you continue to be either willing or gullible enough to keep believing the lies of a geopolitical block as untrustworthy as the United States and its allies solely because you are incapable of looking past your country’s propaganda and seeing your own leaders as anything other than the righteous beacons of humanity that they try to make themselves appear to be, humanity will almost certainly be doomed to enter pointless conflicts and cause mass destruction until we drive our own species off of a cliff.

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        At least I can speak freely and scream from the rooftops about the shitty parts of the US

        Someone’s never heard of the Free Speech fights.

        You can and will be jailed just for saying shit, if people start to listen to you and you’re saying the wrong shit. Your “freedom of speech” is as worthless as used toilet paper the moment a judge decides to issue an injunction against you i.e. the strikes in Harlan County in the 70s had judges jailing people for using the word “scab.”

        Also fun fact I learned today, remember the Kent State Massacre? People were ordered to apologize for being shot just to get compensation, which only covered legal defenses. Land of the fucking free, lmao

        Leaking confidential information, as damning as it may be, is illegal.

        When your life is made illegal, what’re you gonna do, liberal? Roll over for the bourgeois state like a good boy?

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          No, not at all.

          Freedom of speech protects you from being prosecuted for saying something.

          It doesn’t protect you from any other consequences of what you say.

          I did not say that you can say anything with no consequences whatsoever

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        Leaking confidential information, as damning as it may be, is illegal.

        The definition of right and wrong is always what is legal, that’s why when the ruling class buys political power through lobbying and other corruption, the ruling class becomes more legally right in whatever they want to do! morshupls

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          silly communist, don’t you know that AMERICAN law applies everywhere in the world? Heh, you really lack a geopolitical education and it shows 😎

          (I am being facetious pls don’t block me)

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        Assange didn’t do anything illegal but even if he did you might as well be saying “criticizing Putin may the right thing do, but it’s illegal so you shouldn’t do it.”

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        At least I can say the US has done some terrible shit without getting arrested or killed

        Leaking confidential information, as damning as it may be, is illegal.

        so I gather from these two statements that the first is incorrect