I don’t think this is true - at least not in the Hebrew Bible (I don’t know much about the Greek/Christian parts). What verse/ passage are you thinking of?
I think they’re thinking of Mary and Joseph (Miriam and Yusef). The ages are tradition not scripture iirc. But yes, she was 14 but it was closer to an engagement until she was old enough to move out of her parents’ house. Which also is fucked up, but like in terms of ancient pedophilia? It’s on the low end.
This looks like a gotcha, but all of these “marriages” are just different arrangements of their core definition of marriage, and it’s exactly what they want: one man in power, and women as property.
Just for the sake of discussion, this logic unfortunately won’t work on Christians like the crazy right-wingers in Congress because they have the privilege of cherry picking their beliefs.
The examples in this image all appear to be old testament rules, which means that for modern Christians, they apply when it is convenient and don’t apply when it’s not. Much of modern Christianity is founded on new covenant theology which asserts that Jesus “fulfilled” the old laws, and therefore the only ones that truly matter are the ones in the new testament.
So modern Christians don’t have to worry about things like eating pork or wearing mixed fabrics, but they will still pick out any parts of the old testament that are conveniently aligned with their beliefs as the unquestionable “word of god” to get their way.
Of course not, a Roman soldier who never met Jesus was homophobic so they get to be certain that homophobia is morally required. Same justification for misogyny.
The new testament does have some not nice things to say about same-sex relationships IIRC, but nothing that condemns it nearly as strongly as the old testament. Just “will not inherit the kingdom of god” or some junk like that (which applies as well to thieves, drunkards, idolators, and adulterers, which I am sure encompasses a number of “good Christians”).
It’s all just silly, honestly. If the whole point is that people will be judged for whatever in the afterlife, then why care what anyone does in this life as long as it doesn’t affect you directly? If gay people don’t want to be “saved”, then leave them the fuck alone. Pretty sure the Bible says that salvation shouldn’t be transactional anyways.
The entire idea that any of this has to do with being “saved” is a Christian invention anyway. The Hebrew Bible uses the exact same wording regarding eating pork. These were clearly a code of behavior that were intended to apply to one particular group of people, and possibly only a subgroup of that group.
Additionally, many scholars consider this passage not a condemnation of homosexual sex, but relating to inappropriate sexual domination. Of course it’s extremely problematic that heterosexual sex would be considered a dominating act, but that’s more than we should really get into right now.
How does someone have more wives than concubines. I’ve always interpreted concubines as the equivalent of somewhere between fwb-polyamorous girlfriend but with extreme systemic misogyny and possible antiquitous slavery of course. I’ve got one of each of those modern roles and I could probably handle two wives, but each step up is more work. Then most of these fuckers with wives and concubines seem to have more wives. They must be terrible at having wives.
All these are acceptable then:
It’s missing child marriages.
The Bible is pretty fucked.
I don’t think this is true - at least not in the Hebrew Bible (I don’t know much about the Greek/Christian parts). What verse/ passage are you thinking of?
I think they’re thinking of Mary and Joseph (Miriam and Yusef). The ages are tradition not scripture iirc. But yes, she was 14 but it was closer to an engagement until she was old enough to move out of her parents’ house. Which also is fucked up, but like in terms of ancient pedophilia? It’s on the low end.
This looks like a gotcha, but all of these “marriages” are just different arrangements of their core definition of marriage, and it’s exactly what they want: one man in power, and women as property.
That looks like what they really would like to be true.
They’d certainly be fine with the slavery and legal rape parts.
Rape is such a harsh word. They’re just the first to call dibs, in a … forceful way. Let’s call it arranged marriage without consent.
Just for the sake of discussion, this logic unfortunately won’t work on Christians like the crazy right-wingers in Congress because they have the privilege of cherry picking their beliefs.
The examples in this image all appear to be old testament rules, which means that for modern Christians, they apply when it is convenient and don’t apply when it’s not. Much of modern Christianity is founded on new covenant theology which asserts that Jesus “fulfilled” the old laws, and therefore the only ones that truly matter are the ones in the new testament.
So modern Christians don’t have to worry about things like eating pork or wearing mixed fabrics, but they will still pick out any parts of the old testament that are conveniently aligned with their beliefs as the unquestionable “word of god” to get their way.
Somehow conservative Christians never seem to apply this logic to Leviticus 18:22.
Of course not, a Roman soldier who never met Jesus was homophobic so they get to be certain that homophobia is morally required. Same justification for misogyny.
The new testament does have some not nice things to say about same-sex relationships IIRC, but nothing that condemns it nearly as strongly as the old testament. Just “will not inherit the kingdom of god” or some junk like that (which applies as well to thieves, drunkards, idolators, and adulterers, which I am sure encompasses a number of “good Christians”).
It’s all just silly, honestly. If the whole point is that people will be judged for whatever in the afterlife, then why care what anyone does in this life as long as it doesn’t affect you directly? If gay people don’t want to be “saved”, then leave them the fuck alone. Pretty sure the Bible says that salvation shouldn’t be transactional anyways.
The entire idea that any of this has to do with being “saved” is a Christian invention anyway. The Hebrew Bible uses the exact same wording regarding eating pork. These were clearly a code of behavior that were intended to apply to one particular group of people, and possibly only a subgroup of that group.
Additionally, many scholars consider this passage not a condemnation of homosexual sex, but relating to inappropriate sexual domination. Of course it’s extremely problematic that heterosexual sex would be considered a dominating act, but that’s more than we should really get into right now.
How does someone have more wives than concubines. I’ve always interpreted concubines as the equivalent of somewhere between fwb-polyamorous girlfriend but with extreme systemic misogyny and possible antiquitous slavery of course. I’ve got one of each of those modern roles and I could probably handle two wives, but each step up is more work. Then most of these fuckers with wives and concubines seem to have more wives. They must be terrible at having wives.
Seven HUNDRED wives? That’ll get you a reality series and a Dateline special.
Don’t forget his additional 300 concubines