• ours@lemmy.world
      cake
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      11 hours ago

      Just when I warmed up to the idea that NATO was a necessary evil to counter Putin’s worse evil.

      • Kickforce@lemmy.wtf
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        7 hours ago

        It is but losing the traitor in the assembly is not a bad thing. Now if Europe could jailbreak all that American tech they have in their military gear too, that would be nice.

      • Xande@discuss.tchncs.de
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        7 hours ago

        It also is a necessity to keep the USA from going Putin… Trump wouldn’t stop wanting to be a King. As a King he’d work on becoming the Emperor. As Caesar Donald the step to becoming the god emperor isn’t that big…

        • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          edit-2
          2 hours ago

          As Caesar Donald the step to becoming the god emperor isn’t that big…

          Kinda just hoping we can skip all that and go straight to the “Et tu, Bruté?” bit.

    • jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      59
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      19 hours ago

      they’re doing it very knowingly… they wrote an entire nearly 1000 page fucking document detailing exactly what they’re doing in excruciating detail.

      the fascists == idiots trope needs to go bc that’s exactly what makes them dangerous. lots of these fuckers are quite intelligent and conniving. you should be weary.

      • zqps@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        7 minutes ago

        The followers of fascist movements are alsolute morons. The leaders are ruthless and capable opportunists.

      • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        2 hours ago

        you should be weary.

        Oh don’t worry, we’re really freaking tired and weary of this nonsense.

        But we should also be wary of how sneaky these bastards are.

      • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        10 hours ago

        the fascists == idiots trope needs to go bc that’s exactly what makes them dangerous.

        That plan doesn’t work. It assumes that the rest of the world just sits back and takes their crap lying down which isn’t happening. They genuinely think they can just take over Greenland and nothing would happen. I don’t know if they’re intelligent or not, but they’re definitely delusional.

        • jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          edit-2
          8 hours ago

          They’ve handily proven time and time again in recent memory how they can in fact just do things and the rest of the world will sit back and take it lying down, though. That’s the problem. Anyone who thinks it’s just an America issue or something like that grievously misunderstands the tenuous house of cards that the pax americana and era of modern peace is built upon. Realistically, how far are you willing to go to prevent fascism? Would you die for it? Would you crawl through the trenches in a land many seas away from home? Some people might say yes but realistically most Westerners and others would never dare give up their creature comforts. It’s not delusional to think the world can change in the way they suggest precisely because they’ve suggested it - that is the hallmark of the fascist movement and what ties their collective ethos together, a philosophy of domination in all aspects.

          Idk in short, I agree that yeah these people are certainly morally bankrupt. Lots of them are delusional. Any group of people has some like that. That doesn’t mean we should strawman them. There’s lots of idiots and they might think the US could invade Greenland without causing an international crisis. Either fortunately or unfortunately, these aren’t the people saying that the US wants to own Greenland or that we should go to war with Iran, for example.

          The people who control and run this movement are not delusional. They’re dangerous.

      • Rose@slrpnk.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        13
        ·
        13 hours ago

        Oh yeah, they have a plan all right.

        Now, the plan isn’t any good and everyone gets screwed, even them.

        But it is, technically speaking, a plan!

        • jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          11 hours ago

          i made the freudian slip originally before publishing the comment but decided to keep it in because it felt apt. lol

    • wpb@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      7 hours ago

      Between this and USAID I can’t say I’m unhappy about it. Of course dismantling imperialism is a good thing, but I also don’t understand. The republicans should be all about illegal invasions, bombing civilians, and installing puppet dictators, so they should love USAID and NATO, yet here we are. Is this just incompetence?