• foggianism@lemmy.world
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    the Dems are in cahoots with the same elite that are in cahoots with the Reps. the dems and reps pretend to be on opposite ends of a spectrum, but they are both sucking up to capitalists and their corporations

  • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    The Democratic Party are not friends to the people. They get rich being the opposition party and will only do the bare minimum necessary to get you to not vote the monsters back in, which is one of the reasons far-right parties are getting a draw world-wide when the alternative is neoliberalism.

    We have to force radical change (the no brainer stuff like social safety nets, massive justice reform, and massive election reform).

    The Sword of Damocles is twofold: the revolution of the people, and the wrath of rival dictators. And it’s not to be blunted, but to keep our officials serving the public rather than their own private interests.

    🧵⚔

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      It is so pleasant to see that people in the US understand that.

      This is the extreme example, but if you look at Russia, that separation between the public and the politics had happened a long time ago. Now it is impossible to even convince people that politics has to serve their interests, and not the rich. And we see with the invasion how these lofeviews eventually unfolds.

      Wish Americans to be strong in their transformation into the real civil society. And wish you luck and to have required support for this transformation.

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    It’s fun watching you kids realize that the Democratic party isn’t the place to go for real change. I was there after Kucinich lost the primary in 2000 and then when Gore gave up fighting for his votes.

    Also: You have to vote for them no matter how much you hate them. If Fetterman wins his primary next time I MUST vote for him or I am letting Republicans win.

    As opposed to Chuck Schumer who also lets Republicans win.

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      Trump by no means barely beat Harris, she and Clinton were both around 220 votes and Trump has an easy 300.

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        The electrical college will always look different ways because winner takes all voting. It’s all that matters at the end, but a 1.5% change in the voters would have flipoed most of the battleground states. It was closer than many make it out to be

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          The fact that “closer” can be so diametrically opposed indicates a failure in the system.

          If it was close we’d have gotten, I don’t know, Mitt Romney or somebody.

          But the winner-take-all aspect means we get the dumbest, ugliest fascists ever. Just for a 1.5% difference.

          This is what a broken system looks like.

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      getting pretty close to time to just start referring to the DNC as fascist adjacent. playing lame duck to this particular psychopath is way too old and fucking irresponsible a decade later.

      especially when they pull this crap at the same time

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        Nationalism ✔️ imperialism ✔️ mixed economy for the benefit of the bourgeoisie ✔️ labor suppression ✔️ caters to middle class&petty bourgeois ✔️

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        I hope you never thought these people were there for you. At least after the age of about 22, 23?

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          you’re right, it was exactly 23 for me. how did you know? did we get the same radicalization update from the Clinton family trying to make the Whitehouse a family home like the Bush’s did?

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    Don’t forget Bernie.

    DNC had the same exact response. With the same exact Trump.

    Took the DNC ten fucking years to pull their head out of their ass long enough to complain about young men populism being the key to victory, despite literally pissing away all the young men populism voters they had with Bernie Sanders.

    Thank fuck it’s now blatantly obvious with Zohran.

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        I mean really they don’t, I’m pretty sure 180 just voted against the impeachment of Trump. Literally just waiting to see which shill geriatric they’ll put up for 2028 and pull the same “vote for us or suffer Republicans” bs for the next election.

        I keep saying that if progressives in the DNC are being constantly blocked and cheated out of power, they need to split off and make their own party. They’re afraid that if they do, they’ll lose a majority against Republicans, but that’s already true because even bargain basement protection laws barely pass when the Dems do have a majority in congress, and they actively support bs Republican bills when a minority like right now.

        Splitting would render the DNC useless and simultaneously tap into the huge block of nonvoters that would turnout like how Mamdani’s voter base was largely a grassroots campaign.

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        Oh I agree completely. Just to clarify: The DNC absolutely will not get it or care. This is what I was describing as more “apparant” now.

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    So funny to see in real time the difference between their phony outrage over Trump’s arguably monstrous policies, VS their genuine fear over a socialist winning a mayoral race.

    This is why everyone who claims the way to fix Dems is via primaries is wrong. Dems will lie, cheat, or simply not hold primaries altogether, rather than risk an actual leftist winning the nomination.

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      I still think we should support those that do primary if just to show the flippant double standards.

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        Plus it’s good if some of them win and pull the party in a reasonable direction. And having decent people in government is always nice.

        The structural flaws in our elections that force us into a two-party system are deeply entrenched and they aren’t going to change until this place burns down and starts over. If you aren’t willing to vote for a politician with good priorities because they were nominated by the democratic party, you can still be an influential voice but come election time the system is already designed to ignore your vote.

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          I’ve heard the “we should primary them and pull them in a direction”

          And after a few cycles of this I realized why the Democratic icon is an ass: Because they’re stubborn, ornery, and will refuse to understand.

          We are entirely fucked.

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      Theres like 2 people in the DNC who have voiced dislike of Zohran, and they’re getting fucking roasted on social media for it.

      Zohran Mamdani is a Democrat. He is the DNC candidate. Vote for the DNC, vote for Zohran Mamdani.

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      Now watch as Dems throw their support behind the independent in order to undermine Zohran.

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    If they’re not with Zohran, they’re against Democracy.

    I mean this is kind of obvious at this point that the democrats and the republicans are both anti-democracy, just one covertly and the other overtly. But still. I want more people getting loud and angry at anti-democracy democrats.

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      I mean at this rate with about %70 of democrats saying no to Bernie’s stop arm sales motions, we can already safely assume yes they are. They have only been caring about their seats for quite a while and the deals they have made to stay on those seats do not align with the aims and interests of people like Bernie and Zohran. That is why they try to stop such candidates as ferociously as Republicans.

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        Yeah, you’re just an Islamaphobe. I know this because you’re specifically focusing on Islam, rather than every other major religion.

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        Spoken like a true chauvinist. The UK murdered tens of millions more in India alone under the guise of the values of enlightenment than Islam has in the past century and a half.

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          Islam makes women 2nd class citizens it’s a guise for enslaving a whole gender. Fuck Islam. Defending it means you don’t value 50% of humans.

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            Yeah you’re right, unlike evangelical Christianity, which treats women as valuable and treasured members of society… Nah just kidding they are just ambulatory wombs that occasionally make noises as far as the evangelicals are concerned.

            I am disgusted by religion, all religions, but let’s not blind ourselves to the reality that when religion is an excuse for shitty behaviour it’s not restricted to a single religion, and its not like getting rid of the religion would remove the shitty behaviour it would just mean coming up with a new justification.

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            Western chauvinism makes non-whites 2nd class citizens. It’s a guise for enslaving the whole global south. Fuck western chauvinism. Defending it means you don’t value 80% of humans.

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        Yes, of course. That must be why they tried ferociously to stop him from winning the primary with Islamophobic smears and are now freaking out that they failed, and why the corporate media (yes, even the “liberal” media) are all crashing out.

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          Ah yes, the great DNC freakout of 2025. It was legendary. Why even Bill Clinton made such vile remarks as

          Congratulations @ZohranKMamdani on your victory in yesterday’s primary election and a well-run campaign. I’m wishing you much success in November and beyond as you work to bring New Yorkers together to tackle the city’s challenges and shape a stronger, fairer future,

          These horrible disgusting people would stop at nothing to keep them off their ticket. Except, of course, not inviting him to run on their ticket, for some reason.

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            They’re all maintaining decorum (something they would die before dropping) by congratulating him on his win while denouncing his policies and stopping short of endorsing him. Ever since his victory all the “liberal” corporate media has been praising the “energy” of his campaign while criticizing his policies as dangerous and painting his pro-palestinian views as anti-semitic. Don’t even try to pretend the way the DNC has been responding to this is normal. In nearly every other democratic primary the DNC have been quick to line up behind the victor.

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    It’s funny how hot Gillibrand got over Zohran, but hasn’t really said a peep in the last 5ish months of all… this.

    It’s certainly curious.

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      I like how she just invented her own hysterical interpretation of the interview where zohran wouldn’t condemn people for saying globalize the intifada, and then when confronted with the actual quote from zohran, including the “I won’t become mayor to be the word police,” and she takes that and says “actually, you DO have to be word police, you have to tell people its unacceptable to say things that other people may interpret as calling for the slaughter of millions of jews, even if you know those phrases mean something completely different from how jews feel about it”

      The interviewer at that point is like well he didn’t say that and what he said doesn’t imply the killing of jews but okay youre clearly just a violently racist woman so lets take a question from a caller and end the interview

      I hope she resigns if he wins, if not then her next election should be her last. Disgusting, hateful, disqualifying behavior from this woman in that interview.