There’s another post in another sub. In case you want to discuss whether it is good or bad please do it over there. I’d like to keep this about how to do it, not about opinions. https://lemmy.ml/post/16939802

  • voracitude@lemmy.world
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    16 days ago

    Dogs are carnivores and are not well-equipped to handle vegetables. You don’t get to tell me to take my facts elsewhere because this is a public forum and you asked for what amounts to assistance with abusing your pet. And you are indeed abusing your dog by feeding it an inappropriate diet, period dot end of story (https://www.theveterinarynurse.com/content/professional/the-legal-ethical-and-welfare-implications-of-feeding-vegan-diets-to-dogs-and-cats).

          • voracitude@lemmy.world
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            16 days ago

            Oh yes, a clear conflict of interest isn’t a reason to question a source’s legitimacy. What could the company ProVeg International possibly have to gain from a study that says their products are safe to feed to animals, hmm, I do so very wonder. I’ll leave you to ponder that.

            • toomanypancakes@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              16 days ago

              Sure, I’ll ponder that while you get your rocks off being antagonistic, small minded,and wrong in a vegan sub. Have fun!

    • KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world
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      16 days ago

      Right off the bat, the url tells me that whatever you linked lumps in cats and dogs.
      Cats absolutely, positively can’t be fed a vegan diet, they’re true carnivores.
      Dogs are omnivores, though. They can and often do eat vegetables willingly.

      • voracitude@lemmy.world
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        16 days ago

        If you bother to read, it does not in fact lump them in together. Yes, cats without meat will straight up die while dogs will for the most part eat nearly anything willingly. They will eat random gross off the road, they will eat things out the bin, they will eat their own vomit after hacking up the random gross thing they ate off the road. The willingness to eat the things does not mean it’s good for them, or part of a healthy diet. It’s true that a meatless diet won’t necessarily kill a dog (unless it’s a puppy), but it won’t thrive like it would with a meat-rich diet.

        • GravitySpoiled@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
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          16 days ago

          Someone who promotes the idea that a con artist who lived 2000 years ago is god’s son isn’t a reliable source.

          • voracitude@lemmy.world
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            16 days ago

            Right, so no actual objection, very good then. You’d have done better to stick to citing the sources you provided instead of trying to dismiss mine for such a weak reason, as those papers might at least be halfway convincing that there’s more study needed - after looking through the authors and funding to confirm there’s no conflict of interest of course, like say if a paper got funded by a dog food company that sells vegan products.

  • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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    16 days ago

    There’s actually different kinds of carnivores! Cats are hypercarnivores, which means they need more than 70% meat in their diet and can easily survive solely off of meat. Wolves and coyotes are mesocarnivores and need more than 50% meat in their diet, but need some roughage for digestion.

    Dogs are hypocarnivores like bears (and so, while they are most healthy when 30% of their diet is meat, they can supplement easily with plants and survive a long time that way). Dogs can derive nutrition from grain and starches, have molars for grinding fibrous plant material, have a long small intestine that allows them to break down plant matter, and can metabolize betacarotene from plants into Vitamin A. They’re descended from mesocarnivores, but the tens of thousands of years living with omnivorous humans has lead to them developing all these semi-omnivorous traits that enable them to survive off of plants.

    That said? I wouldn’t feel comfortable forcing them onto a starvation plant diet. That 30% meat requirement is still real, even if a dog could probably be kept alive for a long time on a strictly vegan diet. I think we just need to wait for lab grown stuff to supplement dog food (and that seems like it’ll happen a lot sooner than lab grown meat for humans).