• Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml
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        14 days ago

        Even if we accept every single bit of western propaganda about Iran at face value it would still objectively be far less harmful than Israel, and the odds that our media is exaggerating and/or completely making shit up to manufacture consent for another war in the middle east are pretty good

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            13 days ago

            Nah, you’re just biased against non-white countries. There’s no metric by which it’s close otherwise

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              13 days ago

              They’re both non white by American standards, and they are both white for our standard, so keep projecting.

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                13 days ago

                Lol. Israel is absolutely a White country, and Iran absolutely isn’t. Trying to pretend that isn’t the case is absurd

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          14 days ago

          If Iran gets its hands on a nuclear weapon it’s going to be a bad time. Might not be a lesser evil. They have showed how little regard they have for their own citizens, imagine those of other countries.

          This conflict both reduces the amount of bombings in Gaza and distances Iran from getting a nuke, but it would be hard for me to say who’s the bigger evil.

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            14 days ago

            You would basically have to think Palestinians aren’t human to say it’s not obvious who the lesser evil is

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              13 days ago

              No, both Palestinians and Iranians are human, and both Israel and Iran are evil murderous regimes with disregard to human life.

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                13 days ago

                And one has killed multiple orders of magnitude more humans, is trying to kill even more, and is the aggressor in this case. The British Empire was an evil murderous regime, but if someone was saying they weren’t the obvious lesser evil in World War 2, I would assume they are a Nazi

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                  13 days ago

                  Because Iran isn’t capable of murdering people with the impunity that Israel has, not because they don’t want to, or wouldn’t if given the chance. If they get nukes that would change.

                  Following your example, Britain (and America) were both bad and the obvious lesser evil in ww2, but the Soviet union less so. They had their own genocide(s) they just weren’t able to scale it up fast enough before getting invaded.

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                    13 days ago

                    not because they don’t want to, or wouldn’t if given the chance. If they get nukes that would change.

                    You have zero evidence of this, just rascism and vibes. This is basically what a Russian supporter would say about Ukraine. This is what the US did say about Iraq. This is what every imperialist prick says to justify their aggression.

                    And even if it was true, the actual, real life, actually happening genocide that Israel is committing is worse than the one you imagine Iran might.

                    were both bad and the obvious lesser evil

                    I’m going to stop you right there. If you think it’s “obvious” that the western allies were lesser evils but can’t tell that Iran is, you are a white supremacist. It’s that simple. Remember, unlike Iran, the British Empire committed actual genocide.

                    the Soviet union less so.

                    Only if you’re a Holocaust denier.

                    They had their own genocide(s) they just weren’t able to scale it up fast enough before getting invaded.

                    And this is just straight up false.

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            13 days ago

            Definitely are a lesser evil, quit imagining things. I’d trust Iran with nukes more than the US, we’re the only people in history to actually use them and we dropped them on civilians both times.

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              13 days ago

              The US also massacred the indigenous population and a whole series of historic crimes, but we are talking about 2025.