And you know what that bundle of sticks is called in Latin? Fascis. That’s where the name comes from.
Also, nationalsocialism is just one of plenty forms of fascism. It’s an umbrella term. And arguing that a poster warns of the wrong sect of genocidal nationalist dictatorship, is just absolutely beyond any kind brain rot.
Also, nationalsocialism is just one of plenty forms of fascism
National Socialism was in Germany, perpetrated by Hitler, Fascism was in Italy, perpetrated by Mussolini. Every semi decent historian will tell you that
Every historian better than half decent will also tell you that those two systems of government were closely related (totalitarian political violence).
so are saying that there is no situation in with it is beneficial to be able to group these dangerous warmongering ideologies under a blanket term like right now when so many with “slight differences” that are gaining steam right now. it’s not the slight differences we care about, is the shared hatred and warmongering and nationalism.
or are you just trying to defend Italian fascism as not being problematic?
First: I don’t believe difference between Nazi Racism and Fascist Nationalism is slight as these ideologies had vastly different numbers of victims, second: I care for factual representation of history
it’s not the slight differences we care about
You should care about them, because those who don’t know the history are bound to repeat it. Generalization of ideas is bad, it both prevents proper communication, and it’s a source of most horrible ideologies.
or are you just trying to defend Italian fascism
Or right, now I’m accused of supporting fascizm. You can’t even have normal discussion about these topics these days.
You mistook Fascism for Nazism. Especially flag is a Nazi symbol
And you know what that bundle of sticks is called in Latin? Fascis. That’s where the name comes from.
Also, nationalsocialism is just one of plenty forms of fascism. It’s an umbrella term. And arguing that a poster warns of the wrong sect of genocidal nationalist dictatorship, is just absolutely beyond any kind brain rot.
Yes, what about it?
National Socialism was in Germany, perpetrated by Hitler, Fascism was in Italy, perpetrated by Mussolini. Every semi decent historian will tell you that
Every historian better than half decent will also tell you that those two systems of government were closely related (totalitarian political violence).
True, but also they had significant differences - one was that German Nazis were fixated around race, while Italian Fascists weren’t.
Second difference is that Italian Fascizm murdered much less people.
You just can’t ignore that
so are saying that there is no situation in with it is beneficial to be able to group these dangerous warmongering ideologies under a blanket term like right now when so many with “slight differences” that are gaining steam right now. it’s not the slight differences we care about, is the shared hatred and warmongering and nationalism.
or are you just trying to defend Italian fascism as not being problematic?
First: I don’t believe difference between Nazi Racism and Fascist Nationalism is slight as these ideologies had vastly different numbers of victims, second: I care for factual representation of history
You should care about them, because those who don’t know the history are bound to repeat it. Generalization of ideas is bad, it both prevents proper communication, and it’s a source of most horrible ideologies.
Or right, now I’m accused of supporting fascizm. You can’t even have normal discussion about these topics these days.
Depends on what your historical question is. In most cases, this difference of degree wouldn’t matter.
Tell me you don’t understand the term “umbrella term” means, without telling me you don’t understand
I’m not aware of any mid 1930s National Socialists calling themselves Fascists, nor Italian Fascists calling themselves National Socialists.
The “umbrealla term” seems to be invented later for… well why exactly?
For right-wing nationalistic authocracities. How parties label themselves often contradicts with what they stand for
One Thing I’ve learned is not to trust semi decent historians. They tend to oversimplify things a lot
Nazis are fascist, soo…
No.
You might find this seminal essay on Fascism interesting.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascism
This was the essay I was going to post. It’s very good.
You’ll have to notice that the image in the post replaces “traditionalism” with “nationalism”.