• simple@lemm.ee
    1086·
    3 个月前

    I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux-

    • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
      511·
      3 个月前

      That’s the problem, though: a lot of it isn’t GNU, specifically because GNU stuff is GPLv3 and would thus stop the smart TV and IoT device makers from Tivoizing everything all to Hell. Most of that stuff is running bastardized Linux, not GNU/Linux!

    • davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
      24·
      3 个月前

      There are a number of Linux distributions that do not have a GNU user space, so no.

        • davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
          6·
          3 个月前

          Off the top of my head:

          • Android and its derivatives, and other distributions based on ToyBox (if any exist, I don’t know)
          • Alpine and other distributions based on BusyBox
          • Chimera
    • silkroadtraveler@lemmy.todayEnglish
      15·
      3 个月前

      A name is just a simple reference to a system composed of interrelated and essential OS components: Kernel, windowing system, networking tools, virtual memory, user interfaces, the list goes on…

      Yes GNU is an essential suite of tools but so is X (or Wayland) and many other unnamed yet critical subsystems.

      Now GPL licensing on the other hand, THAT is a foundational precept to FOSS that deserves sole credit back to a single project.

      • JATth@lemmy.world
        2·
        3 个月前

        The NT kernel in isolation is apparently quite “ok”, from what i have heard of it. It’s the spyware, malware, driver crap (“windows”) running on/using it which is unquestionably totally fucked and disgusting. If they were to FOSS the NT kernel, I could maybe support an such endeavor.

  • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod@lemmy.worldEnglish
    812·
    3 个月前

    I was talking to my dad about my job and how people don’t know how to use Linux. He said “Yeah, nobody uses that UNIX stuff anymore.”

    Then I pointed out that his phone and his computer both run flavors of UNIX, since he’s been using Apple products since I made him switch by not supporting his issues with Windows, and that most of the websites and apps he’s using are running Linux on the backend.

    • uis@lemm.ee
      183·
      3 个月前

      Well, he is correct. Linux is not UNIX. It is UNIX-like system. And Android is abomination.

          • candybrie@lemmy.world
            12·
            3 个月前

            I looked it up. macOS is still unix certified.

            BSD is usually not unix certified, so has to refer to itself as unix like.

            What is and isn’t unix is kind of up to what definition you’re working with (pedigree, legally, practically).

            • frezik@midwest.social
              2·
              3 个月前

              And what always gets lost in these discussions is if that old Unix stuff was so amazingly good that we should automatically assume Linux is inferior for not doing it. Even though all the old Unix vendors are basically dead now and replaced by Linux. That might have happened for a reason.

            • uis@lemm.ee
              2·
              3 个月前

              BSD is usually not unix certified, so has to refer to itself as unix like.

              Wait, really? Not POSIX? Huh

              Also another reason I doubt current version macos is certified is:

              “Because it’s an expensive and lengthy process. And every version will need to be re-certified.”

          • bluewing@lemm.ee
            1·
            3 个月前

            Ahhh, I remember my days of wearing the sackcloth and ashes of Slack. I would go back to that purity. But I’m now old and far too lazy.

            • superkret@feddit.org
              1·
              3 个月前

              Since Flatpaks are a thing now, it’s almost like one of those newfangled immutable distros:

              • Do a default full install, so you have the same system the devs use for testing.
              • Install flatpak.
              • Install all your apps as flatpaks.
              • Never worry about dependencies or package management in general ever again.
              • bluewing@lemm.ee
                2·
                3 个月前

                I’m running Fedora 40 Atomic Budgie on a little micro desktop for fun right now. IMO, it’s not quite ready for prime time just yet. I do appreciate the simple ability to roll back at boot if something does go wrong. I’ve done it once after an update and it was nice. The next day a new update was pushed to fix the error in the update and on I went on my merry way.

                On the other hand, there is a general sluggishness and a feeling of malaise to the system as time goes on. It’s not a show stopper. But it does not spark joy either. Budgie ran a whole lot faster and smoother as a “standard” install. And I’m not installing a lot of extra software and they are all installed as Flatpaks or I have 3 pieces installed as appImages. So it’s all just updates.

                The real test will come when Fedora shifts from 40 to 41 and I upgrade the distro. Will it be as “immutable” as they brag about.

          • Johanno@feddit.org
            1·
            3 个月前

            Pfff the distro itself isn’t affected by the drama really. The community is. However in a few years nobody will remember really. Maybe the forks are still around then.

            • Sethayy@sh.itjust.works
              2·
              3 个月前

              Yeah but the anti-woke type are hardly ever too mentally stable, so who knows when the ‘saving our Christian distro from the sinners’ update will drop.

              That or the old devs never come back and the new ones ride it right into the shitter, either way its definitely uncertain times when you lose most of your main devs

    • tacofox@lemm.ee
      14·
      3 个月前

      Jim: “what’s your favorite district” Mike: “Android of course” Jim:

    • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      8·
      3 个月前

      Thats like saying your favorite type of cheese is American, sure its technically cheese but its so processed and removed from cheese that its just not the same as mozzarella.

      • JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world
        3·
        3 个月前

        I made grilled cheese for my father in law in India where it was not insignificantly difficult to find “American” bread and processed cheese. It’s comfort food that crosses borders and cultures.

        Edit: You United Statesians got that weird cheese thing right and I will die on that hill.

  • unfnknblvbl@beehaw.org
    24·
    3 个月前

    I am constantly amused about how “next year” has been “the year of Linux on the desktop” for 20+ years. Meanwhile, Linux & BSD have pretty much completely taken over the whole world except the desktop in that same time.

    • frezik@midwest.social
      71·
      3 个月前

      Wish they didn’t. DIY opnsense/pfsense boxes are much harder for finding compatible NICs because they’re on BSD. Conversely, used enterprise-level NICs often have better drivers on Linux than Windows.

      • refalo@programming.dev
        4·
        3 个月前

        usually if it doesn’t have good working drivers on BSD, there’s a good reason and it’s probably better that you didn’t use that hardware in the first place. if it was a well-established, reliable adapter then typically it would already have a driver.

        • frezik@midwest.social
          1·
          3 个月前

          How about an HP NC523SFP? Keep in mind, this is HP enterprise stuff, not consumer level. Dual SFP+, pulled from server hardware. Doesn’t work on FreeBSD.

              • refalo@programming.dev
                1·
                3 个月前

                But you said FreeBSD… opnsense is not the same as FreeBSD proper even though it is based on it… for example they don’t include all the drivers that FreeBSD has… like qlxgb. Not saying you’re moving the goalposts but I feel like this may be an unfair conclusion being drawn.

  • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    19·
    3 个月前

    Huh, I don’t follow supercomputers very often. I didn’t realize in the last 10 years UNIX dropped off the map of supercomputers entirely in favor of Linux.

    Pretty cool.

    • Z3k3@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      3 个月前

      I worked in resales for super computers about 10 yrs ago. For x86 based designs we flogged red hat

      • WormFood@lemmy.world
        4·
        3 个月前

        it’s still mostly red hat even for arm, though Cray (who still supply a lot of machines here in the UK) ship a horribly butchered version of SLES

    • ✺roguetrick✺@lemmy.world
      1·
      3 个月前

      Actual desktops are going the way of the dodo for the mass market and Linux netbooks are quite popular. With Microsoft’s current strategy of making a product that is worse and worse for low powered devices, I honestly think it’ll happen sooner, except for businesses.

          • knightly [none/use any]@hexbear.netEnglish
            8·
            3 个月前

            I’m amazed at how long it takes to boot up, too. Especially after the login screen, it’s like 5 minutes from entering my password to the company VPN app finally starting up in the background.

            Meanwhile my 8 year old desktop (I use Arch, btw) takes all of 20 seconds, including both the login and the grub menu.

            • uis@lemm.ee
              2·
              3 个月前

              If it has UEFI, you can shave off 3-5 seconds by using kernel EFI stub.

            • anarchoilluminati [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
              2·
              3 个月前

              Haha Yeah, Windows feels ancient. Maybe it’s the speed but I also just think it’s clunky. I’m also always confused when I try to use something and then I get a demand for a paid license, like, why the fuck would I pay for this?

              I use a fairly new laptop and I use Pop but it’s so snappy, everything I need and want works without issues, and boots near instantly. It’s perfect for me.

      • uis@lemm.ee
        4·
        3 个月前

        You should always have Plan9. In case all previous 8 plans fail.