• Birbatron@lemmy.ml
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    5 months ago

    As someone who just joined and picked .ml because it seemed generally leftist

    What the fuck?

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      5 months ago

      Yeah, I am too attached to my account because it’s several years old and was made when there were next to no instances running. But I can only shake my head at the amount of Marxist-Leninist nonsense that is at times pushed there, that unironically elevates what was a development of “Marxism” out of the material conditions of the Eastern Bloc as an imperialist sphere bent on market expansion and accumulation of national capital, into a religion-like orthodoxy.

      No, ideology that is nominally Marxist, and having an educated caste of decision-makers highly trained in your interpretation of it at the top won’t prevent capitalist dynamics and bring about communism, only the material base and changing it will, and your ideology will follow what your material base demands. And that had been expansion of national capital for the Eastern sphere since the revolution failed to link up with any industrialised nations in the 1920s. The elevation of Marxism into a basically teleological ideology, claiming that with subservience to the interests of national capital, there will be communism at the end (a promise broken over and over again), is completely understandable by looking at the Soviet and Chinese spheres of influence from a Marxist perspective.

      And even the structures put into place by Lenin were explicitly designed as for his own time and the conditions within the Russian Empire, not as an infallible orthodoxy, and things like Democratic Centralism explicitly contained open and free discussion before unity of action, which was just completely pushed away. Urgh, it’s sad to me, because I think a new, invigorated and organised communist movement is needed more than ever, but by redirecting it to the national interest of states like China (and even Russia, which isn’t even nominally communist, and just opposes western imperialism to impose its own imperialism - like choosing Germany over France in WWI, the exact shit Lenin fought against) instead of the international proletariat, just weakens it overall.

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        5 months ago

        I mean there literally is one. European style social democracy and democratic socialism has made way more progress towards socialist ideals than anything inherited from the Leninist tradition. It’s just that the revolutionary fan service isn’t as good so the Orthodox MLs don’t like it very much.

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          5 months ago

          Technology and social advances have increased the wealth and income disparity that the working class will tolerate without destroying the system.

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      5 months ago

      Leftism doesn’t require trans activism. It happens there mostly due to tribalism, not because the ideology somehow makes it necessary.

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          I don’t exactly see why that’s a requirement. You mean because trans people usually need costly medical treatments?

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            5 months ago

            Weaken work performance because of poor mental health will be much more costly in the long run for society.

            Healthcare is not a zero sum game and we can tax the rich much more to cover it all.

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          Yes. It worries me that you haven’t found them. Either you have but you thought they were stupid anyway because of them being leftists, or you haven’t because you do not believe in any way in equality, solidarity, search for knowledge, and many other values the left stands for. This I find difficult to believe.

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          5 months ago

          Well yes. There’s a smart kind of leftism too. The kind they had in the 70s and 80s. But it’s not very mainstream right now.

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            5 months ago

            Oh golly gee willikers, I looked it up & you are 1000% correct. 🫠

            I bend over, firmly grab my ankles, and say ORANGE MAN SO VERY BAD, in accordance with the invisible ink on the US Constitution. Which only the most awesome liberal elites know about, the rest or us just meander around in the dark, waiting for them to scream at us & enlighten us on the one true way to political salvation. 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌

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      It is generally leftist. Unfortunately you are probably imagining leftist economics but they want “leftist” authoritarianism. They despise capitalism. They love state capitalism. They will excuse any atrocities and human rights violations that occur as long as the country is extremely authoritarian and pretending to be economically left.

      They are historical revisionists as well. Admins are extremely fragile. They will ban you from every community for writing historically accurate facts. If you find this screenshot appalling you should preemptively switch to a different instance before they catch you doing wrongthink and ban you.

      Source: I had a lemmy.ml account for the same reasons as you.