• Gork@lemm.ee
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    Isn’t claiming territory that doesn’t belong to you as yours the definition of imperialism?

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      They get around this by using a version of Lenin’s definition of imperialism. Lenin characterised imperialism as, in very simple terms, the way that powerful capitalist countries exploit poorer countries (or straight up colonies, especially considering the time in which Lenin was writing). Of course they use a version of this that specifically defines it as just literally anything the countries they don’t like do, leading to ProleWiki insisting that Russia is not imperialist but Liechtenstein is

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        Similarly to how ‘reactionary’ just means ‘bad’ to these people. For the record a ‘reactionary’ is somebody who wants to restore a previous status quo. It’s not inherently good or bad.

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          Reactionary, in political science terms, is the opposite of radicals. Radicals are to the left and reactionaries are to the right. In practice, people on the internet tend to use radical for both, but I wish the distinction was made more clear.

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            No. Radical is simply somebody who wants to fundamentally change society. It’s not the opposite of a reactionary, in fact, you can be radical and reactionary at the same time.

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            You are correct. Radicals want things to change in an extreme way, and reactionaries are just that, reactionary to change. Not sure why you got downvoted for knowing what you are talking about.

            Language does change, though, and often laymen use words differently than subject matter experts.

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              While I usually try not to be prescriptive with language, it has a place. The distinction between radical and reactionary is a useful one.

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      I’ve not had too much of a problem in the .ml communities. they have their opinions and discuss them.

      it’s that hexbear half joke half serious mix of Marxists and fascists that like reallllly get off on removing comments that don’t suit their agenda. I understand not agreeing, but silencing dissenting opinions is the foundation of a lame internet community.

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        I’ve not had too much of a problem in the .ml communities.

        I thought the same until recently. Then I called Maduro(Venezuelas dictator) a dictator and oop, banned.

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        I’ve been subbed to a bunch of their comms and not seen anything that was explicitly or could be construed as fascist.

        Most English language online spaces have the western media narrative rigidly enforced. Some people prefer to not have to have a /c/worldnews debate exchange in places they hang out.

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    • USA belongs to Great Britain
    • England and France belongs to the Roman empire
    • Poland belongs to Prussia
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      There’s no such thing as objective reality. Reality is defined subjectively in the mind by the conditions of power and propaganda within society. Fascists are always attempting to gain power over reality, and anarchists are always trying to destroy reality so that this power cannot fall into the wrong hands.

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          Okay, here is a healthy recipe for a delicious bowl of whatever:

          Step 1: Set 200mL of late stage capitalism on a pan with medium heat until melted
          Step 2: Slowly add 2 cups of youth disenfranchisement while stirring with a spatula
          Step 3: meh. I don’t give a shit anymore.
          Step 4: Whatever.

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          No, that’s not me. I’m an enby, not a guy. You must have me confused with some male-identifying soulist.

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              Have you seen Invincible? You know that guy who can create portals between universes? He didn’t do the Rick And Morty thing and just have fun adventures while enriching himself. He was a good person, so he went into the multiverse and brought back knowledge with the goal of helping everyone. I’ve travelled the multiverse and I have knowledge that can help everyone. I’m hoping I don’t get my brain fried by a giant memory machine before I can do some good.

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                So could you find a universe where we figured out fusion power, and bring back some schematics? Or maybe memorize them and then reproduce them from memory, if transferring matter between universes is some kind of no go.

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                  Sure, here’s a simplified diagram for a device to harvest usable electricity from fusion power:

                  This device uses the fusion of hydrogen nuclei into helium to create limitless free energy as direct current. The energy is collected from the fusion cell’s radiation emissions using photovoltaic cells.

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        How do you know there is no such thing as objective reality?

        Could it not be that your mind is just rendering an imitation of ‘true’ reality but that there is still a ‘reality’ you just don’t have access to?

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          It’s not an imitation, it’s an interface. Cognitive scientist Donald Hoffman conducted hundreds of simulated experiments in which an organism which perceived truth was set against an organism that perceived fitness. Truth always goes extinct, because fitness is more efficient. Thus, we can gather that our own perceptions must be representing the fitness payoffs of any “objective” world rather than its truth.

          If any objective world does exist, it’s not a reality. Reality is perception. What cannot be perceived, therefore cannot be real.

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            Fist part was interesting but you lost me in the second half. Does perception, and therefore reality, require conciousness? Can you recommend any reading on this?

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            It’s privilege. Such ignorance would be fatal in a “wild” context. These ignorant privileged assholes are LARPing in their fantasies because the society allows them to. That’s the social order. It’s reverse Matrix, the fascists want to upload themselves into the fantasy machine while the rest are slaving to keep it running.

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      It’s part of the playbook. That’s his you eliminate the possibility of a good criticism, everything becomes spiderman meme

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      It’s more that they are immune to irony, as long as the words they vomit out forward their hidden goals, they don’t care what they say.

      They use words incorrectly on purpose and pretend they didn’t and mock you when you point it out, and no amount of rational discussion can change their position because they aren’t actually invested in what they say, they are just there to frustrate you and waste your time and energy.

      It’s a game for them, and they revel in it. Easiest tactic is to just not engage. Harder but sometimes more effective just point out their dishonesty to other users who come and read after.

      Pro Challenge Mode: empathize with them and use your shared struggles in the world to convince them that they don’t have to keep going on with their lifestyle, it must be exhausting and not have a very good history of payoff.

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    Its really funny when people act like Taiwan isn’t a part of China, and people who believe that it is are like radical left delusional tankies, when it is the official stance of the US government and the EU that Taiwan is a part of China. Like I have no horse in that race either way but jfc get your facts straight before clutching your pearls

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      The truth on the ground is that Taiwan is an independent country. Countryhood isn’t about recognition, it’s about autonomy. Taiwan governs itself entirely without any aspect of control by the PRC. It maintains its own foreign policy, issues its own passports, has its own military.

      Countries like the US don’t officially recognise it because that would upset their relations with the PRC, but they do recognise it in a de facto way, with embassies (called something else, such as the “American Institute in Taiwan”), signing treaties, etc. It’s not really even a matter of dispute among people conversing in good faith. Taiwan is an independent country. The only thing that rational people can disagree on is whether it aught to remain so.

      It’s not the only de facto country with poor recognition. Somaliland is one of the other clearest examples.

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      Well Taiwan is China. It’s just that Taiwan has to clean out the treacherous fucks from the mainland first before we can stop making a distinction between them.

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      The fact is that there’s usually a difference between official stances and what the truth is or even what people actually believe. The official stance is also that OJ didn’t kill those people, for example.

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        That is an incredibly ironic statement. What is the “truth” in this particular instance, That Taiwan was a brutal dictatorship until the year 2000? That it was founded by mass murderer Chang Kai-Shek? Was it a part of China back then? When did it become not a part of China?

        I’m pretty sure that Taiwan doesn’t want to be a part of China, and I support the self actualization of people. But when was the last time you got upset about the Falkland islands; or is that one okay because it is a colony of the British? What about The US’s unconscionable interventions in Haiti? You’re either all in on self actualization, or you’re a stooge.

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            And are also one of the extremely rare circumstances in which the land really was uninhabited when European colonists got there

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        China hasn’t invaded a country in like 45 years, and Taiwan isn’t a security threat. So what’s your point?

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          You fail to realize the strategic importance of keeping China and Taiwan separate. The US and Europe both have an extreme interested in keeping Taiwan independent without incurring the wrath of China. Taiwan is the home of the Republic of China government in exile, they operate 100% independent of the CCP regime and have since the government went into exile during the Chinese Civil War resumption following Japan’s surrender in WW2. Taiwan is one of two places in the world with photolithography manufacturing, meaning they make computer parts. Arguably the most important modern manufacturing sector in the world. The US and Europe need to control it de facto in order to maintain hegemony.