Update: I got banned from hexbear and grad lmao
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Very happy to be on an instance that blocks them entirely. The couple of weeks we were federated was a couple of weeks too long honestly.
I forgot to block the instructions, left an unpopular opinion on a post. I wish I blocked it like I thought I didn’t.
Everyone just goes straight to being an asshole there, no middle ground.
Actually they blocked us first lmao.
It was great. They made a whole event about how they will dunk all of Lemmy and fill every thread with their spam… Just to realise they’re not in a safespace anymore and they defederated themselves in less than 24 hours.
The community was split over the prospect of federation from the very beginning tbf.
Infighting is very common
Never post you bear ass in IncantationUrsine, always make sure you are in MagicBear community where friendly sugar bears updoot and compliment you.
thankfully, lemmy world spared me the trouble of having to block the instance myself.
You should do it anyway.
ah yes the leftist communist instance
The authoritarian communist instance.
yep
I’m somewhat convinced that all the Tankie servers have some unspoken agreement to ban the same dissenters.
I doubt it’s even unspoken.
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Go on Hexbear
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Post a non-hexbear thing
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Get a comment in my inbox
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Be incredibly mad
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Post another thing on hexbear
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Can relate, the people from that instance are bonafide shitrilers, born a century too late to join Hitler’s youth so they join hexbear instead.
I got banned from hexbear and lemmygrad like a year ago without ever even posting in either community, just for arguing with some of their users under a post on lemmy.ml
Communists are somewhat like collapsniks. I don’t want to bully or torment them, life kicked their butt already. But tankies, damn they deserve some bullying from time to time for all the stupid shit they say.
I’m fine and usually agree with people who are economically left. I find I usually disagree with people who love state capitalism so much they will excuse whatever human rights abuses occur under it.
Looking at the online places some people lost their faith in liberal democracy. At least in the USA looking at the voting and political system there it really isn’t the most… healthy. So I very much understand the desperation.
In other places it is going strong and no one sane would want to drop it. It merely needs some tweaks and fixes that are a subject of constant battles in the parliament.
This is the problem of us centric internet. Whatever I say it is always taken in the context of America. I got to know so much about that single country out of 195 whether I wanted it or not
The irony is, yeah, the tankies on hexbear and ml are bad. But the rest of lemmy is bad as well. Everyone is completely indoctrinated these days. It’s just complete polarization and extremism. Everyone just reads their corner of the news and needs to believe one side or another.
You can keep the enlightened centrism.
And welcome to another game of fascist, limbrol, centroid, tankie!
Could it be because of things you said? No, surely it’s my fault.
Gosh, why is everyone but you so extreme and indoctrinated? Literally everyone. You explicitly said, everyone. That’s totally different from parroting “both sides,” somehow.
The only progress in humanity history stems from centrism. Wanting division does you no favour.
What change has ever come from kneejerk defense of the status quo? Progress comes from progressives. Deriding any strong criticism as “polarizing” or “divisive” is the just-world fallacy writ small. As if there’s no fucking difference between ‘I’m angry that queer people exist’ and ‘I’m angry that homophobia exists.’ That sort of false equivalence is all there is to enlightened centrism - to the jackasses and scolds insisting that while tankies are bad, anti-tankies are identically guilty, acuz they’re mad about it.
You think that anti-tankies are as guilty as tankies? you do know what community this is, don’t you?
Try reading that again.
The jackass in the root comment thinks anti-tankies are as guilty as tankies. That’s what enlightened centrism is. That’s what it fucking means, when someone laments “everyone is completely indoctrinated these days.” As if strong opposition to horseshit is identical to horseshit.
Trying to be halfway between horseshit and anti-horseshit is not an anti-horseshit position.
I’m unsure if that’s how his comment is meant to be taken. @[email protected], can you go into a bit more detail?
Sigh ok. First I’m not a tankie or transphobe. I also don’t believe in ideology but that it’s just used as a mask by those who pursue power the the best at that game don’t care about anything but power.
But I’m talking about polarization on Lemmy (and Reddit), and how people are massively downvoted when they question the “official western doctrine”. For example like 2 days after the election in Venezuela Blinkin pretty much declared the opposition the winner and Maduro a cheater. All the western media and the US and Europe all agree and sanctioned Venezuela harshly for years now. Yet ANY questioning of this is met with massive downvotes.
On this topic at least you can at least mention the history of imperialist interference, the 2002 coup, the fact that Venezuela has the biggest oil reserves, that the opposition is ultra-far right and that the crippling sanctions amount to economic warfare. Personally I’m skeptical and am waiting for more independent information. But you still immediately get labeled a tankie.
That is the polarization I mean and has nothing to do with enlightened centrism or transphobia. Since Trump the fascists have managed to fortify these camps and suppress any discourse.
This is also extremism and the majority of the “normal Lemming” (~liberals leftist) are totally on board with this. If the majority decides something is this way, anyone else must be an enemy. Objective truth doesn’t exist, everything has two sides to it, and since opinions rule might makes right.
And I can tell you pretty much exactly at what point in time this started to happen: 2022 with the Invasion of Ukraine. In one moment the reputation of the US was rehabilitated and is no seen as a guardian of truth, justice, democracy and the policeman of the world again. It’s a fucking joke. It doesn’t matter who rules in the white house, the US foreign policy is apolitical and it’s domination has horrible effects on the world with use of terrorism and crippling sanctions that and destroy democracies in their cribs.
Now the tankies have a very narrow minded definition of liberalism = liberal = fascism = tool of capitalism. I don’t share that but they are not wrong in terms of foreign policy. Biden does not give a fuck about “shithole countries” either. They are all doing whatever is needed to gain or maintain power. There is no ideology. Their definition also more and more fits what I see on Lemmy.
So yeah I can identify with the OP meme just “tryna be a human”. Maybe we should let Venezuelans sort out Venezuela and not interfere with acts of war (=sanctions). But who knows? I could be lying! Maybe I’m really just a tankie! Or a transphobe! They are everywhere sneaking about! Maybe I’m one of those advanced chinese bots?! Bots are hiding everywhere in your comment section! (EDIT: And yeah unfortunately that is true to an unknown extend)
Basically you can’t have a free and open democracy or community if you are “under siege”. And social media is under siege and has become “militarized”. Sad thing is don’t know either what to do or what is real or not. I know it’s only going to get worse from here on out.
So @[email protected], tell me what I am? Fascist, limbrol, centroid or tankie?
It’s not exactly long or complicated. “The rest of lemmy is bad as well. Everyone is completely indoctrinated these days. It’s just complete polarization and extremism. Everyone just reads their corner of the news and needs to believe one side or another.”
How much more blatantly “both sides”-y can a comment get? And the response to being called out on it was “welcome to another game of fascist, limbrol, centroid, tankie!” As if the motherfucker didn’t just call the rest of lemmy those same extremes!
What could this person say in their defense that is not simply a contradiction of what they wrote?
Keep in mind, the more extreme someone’s views, and the more strongly they hold them, the more likely they are to share them and argue the case.
You just don’t hear from people with moderate views all that much, I think.
Not everyone. I’m really actually clueless. The state of the country I live in is so bad that I have just given up.
Do like me, don’t watch your country’s news and laugh at the US instead. Yeah I’m coping however I can
Sadly, I’m in the US. I’m laughing though, on the outside.
Are you also the great clown Pagliacci?
No… 🥹
So before I knew shit about the fediverse I was trying to find and instance and I thought “oh neat I’m a leftist,” and created an account on hexbear. I was not prepared at all for that. I didn’t know what a tankie was and I was just legit confused for a minute.
What good has giving free speech to conservatives done anyone?
There’s a certain special irony in folks on the internet telling one another “Shut up! You’re not allowed to criticize free speech!” in a thread defending free speech. It only gets worse when you have people throwing shit fits over being federated, because it means you might get banned from another sub.
This all seems to boil down to “I don’t like other communities that hurt my feelings”. A thousand little Elon Musks, all screaming and crying because they can’t shut everyone else up and turn the local instance into a room full of yes-men.
I’m new here, I don’t even know what the fediverse is. What does this mean?
Really it’s just like subreddits, but with an additional level added on. So each instance has its own culture and rules, and then their own communities within them that may or may not overlap with communities on other instances.
So you might think you’re commenting on a post from lemmy.world/c/politics, which is pretty liberal and mainstream for an American forum, but it’s actually hexbear.net/c/politics, which is quite far left and has very active users, who respond to your comment completely differently.
are there any instances on here that aren’t left?
They were a few initially but they got chased off the fediverse. I’ve found SJW is very impartial.
That probably depends on your Overton window.
Let me rephrase, is there anywhere that isn’t a circlejerk in either direction? I came here hoping it would be like Reddit pre 2016 where most of the main subs would at least have discussion and debate in the comments and not just a bunch of people blindly agreeing with each other.
Tbh, no. The conservative instances immediately devolved into racism and jingoism. The rest of the instances are at least pretty far left of the population as a whole (e.g. world), terminally online leftists, or tankies.
If you want someplace where politics don’t get mentioned in every thread, Mastodon with your own follows picked is the best choice.
the thing about hexbear isn’t just that they’re far left, but that they are violently auth-left, and live in a huge echo-chamber, as most instances defederated from them. plenty of far left people are actually very grounded and human compared to them, see slrpnk.net and the an-soc instances. while they have strong opinions, they won’t immediately wish death upon you if your views clash
auth-left
The political compass is a terrible metric for tracking political currents. Disagree with Hexbear for how aggressively they post, sure, but drop that designation.
Yeah, super saiyen marx, I wouldn’t call tankies progressive
What you call them is irrelevant, they’ve been at the forefront of progressive causes for as long as they’ve existed.
yeah, I definitely agree there, not to mention that “authoritarian left” is self contradicting to begin with. It’s a pretty direct two-word description though, I find, and better than just calling them “tankies” which is even more vague
As Goat has said, this platform (Lemmy) is comprised of instances, some, like Lemmy.world, are general instances, and some have a specific theme or type of content they cater to. There’s one for furry porn, one for regular porn, for example, and one for utterly insufferable Internet communists who make a point of behaving badly in other communities.
behaving badly
I wanna push back on this. The whole point of federation is that people from different communities interact, but when an active community like hexbear predictably has a ton of people leave a comment on a post that reaches their /all page it gets called “brigading” when it’s literally just people using the most basic feature of the website.
Sorry, but no. I’ve seen how they engage with other instances, their strategy is to dogpile on anyone who dares disagree with them, flood the thread with insults and shitty images, and generally behave like poo flinging monkeys. They don’t debate, they don’t actually make a cohesive argument for their beliefs, their entire approach is to use overwhelming force to drown out opposing voices.
They’re a thoroughly awful group of people.
Don’t forget of you yet to defend yourself you get told to go touch grass.
I had a stroke reading this
Seek medical attention.
They went back and fixed it
Except there’s evidence supplied in this community of Hexbear users organising what threads to target specifically.
You’ve been defending tankies a lot. Why?
Welcome my guy
YOU WILL SPEAK WHEN SPOKEN TO MOTHERFUCKER
So you’re good now
The fediverse is an interconnected community composed of instances. Every website is its own instance that can communicate with other instances
So right now I’m on sh.itjust.works, and you’re on lemmy.world.
The Fediverse is much more than just that. You just described the Lemmy (and kbin?) part of it. The Xitter alternative Mastodon for example is another part of the Fediverse among many others.
One time, I brought right-wing idealogies to a left-wing instance.
I leanrelned my lesson. Always check the instance or community you’re posting in.
Kinda feels like this is an ad for Hexbear
