It’s around 2.5 per 100 000 in Norway.
The thing that surprised me most after moving to Oregon was how bad the drivers were. I’ve lived in many states across the South, the Midwest, and West Coast and I’ve never encountered drivers so consistently vindictive, entitled and reckless as the drivers in Oregon.
I assume this includes pedestrians and cyclist deaths? It’s by population rather than by “car” or “km driven” but I’d like to see a per county breakdown.
How the heck are Victorians down the bottom? Is it just the sheer size of our population keeping that number in check…?
If you can survive hook turns you can survive anything.
Also less country for country driving
You can always count on Mississippi! I’m surprised Texas isn’t higher, we drive like maniacs.
I remember reading years back that Mississippi is the only state where it’s legal for the driver to drink and drive (as long as they keep it below 0.08). Multiple defenders on Reddit said its safe because its still below the legal limit.
Couldnt be related, could it? Nahhh
https://dui.drivinglaws.org/resources/can-a-passenger-drink-alcohol.htm
I don’t know much about Mississippi, but I know that in neighboring Louisiana, there are drive-through daiquiri places.
the fine print of the law says that the open container law is not applicable to containers with frozen alcoholic beverage where the lid is intact and no straw is protruding through the lid.
In most cases, daiquiris adhere to the “tape rule.” Most daiquiri shops will put a piece of tape over the straw hold on the lid. If this tape is removed or broken then the drink is considered an open container.
So a piece of tape counts as a “seal.” They’re not even trying.
Ah yes, a piece of tape. Tape can definitely not be lifted and replaced, right?
I took a quick looks and seems like Mississippi has many drive through daiquiris bars also.
https://m.yelp.com/search?cflt=drivethrubars&find_loc=Gulfport%2C+MS
I’m guessing gun violence is much the same.
21 Mississippi, 22 Mississippi…
Victoria is that low cos they don’t fuck around when it comes to driving fines. The speed limit means limit, and they’re cracking down hard on drivers using phones.
Victorians are some of the worst/dangerous drivers I’ve seen, but I’m not in Victoria.
Yeah the only people worse at driving are Belgiuns. I say this with certainty having never been to Belgium and in direct conflict with the source presented to me. I simply know it to be true as an empath.
I have seen worse but yeah, we have more than our fair share of dickheads on the road.
I mean,Australia has way less snow than the US, that definitely has to account for a chunk of the difference in our numbers.
But Canada has way more snow than the U.S., so that doesn’t seem to be a major factor.
Could be that Canada is ready for the snow it gets while you see some states shut down completely when they get a light dusting of snow.
from existing in a car in the US on a few occasions and living in australia i’d wager a HUGE amount of the difference is attitude… holy SHIT do yall speed like crazy! 15-20mph over the limit just seems to be standard… 15kph over the limit here in aus you literally watch them pass every other car and call them a dickhead - and they’ll almost certainly get a speeding fine
I am Australian, Ive been doing track days, drift days and have done a few amateur rallys too over the last 20 years and Ive never been more scared driving than a rental car in Austria in winter on holiday. Ice and snow is a whole different skillset.
also true, but as other have said, mississippi doesn’t really get snow so given the massive difference between them and vic, i don’t think snow is really a particularly big contributor
Is this specifically relating to the difference between Victoria and Mississippi?
Between Australia and the US in general.
Mississippi gets negligible amounts of snowfall and it rarely sticks.
getting a drivers license in mississippi is basically show up to the DMV, suck a cock and drive home or what?
Mississippi has drive-through combo shops: liquor store / DMV / KFC.
Saves time on your way to and home from church.
Mississippi is always the worst of any statistic
Mississippi is the only state that doesn’t specifically prohibit drinking and driving (as long as you stay below the 0.08% BAC)
I understand this is largely due to Americans wanting to get drunk like everyone else but also having to drive everywhere.
And gigantic motor vehicles.
There are so many dumb regulations and circumstances that functionally push people to giant vehicles.
For instance: I replaced my 2016 VW golf base model with an electric F150 this year for a multitude of reasons. I got a refund from insurance (with the same coverage). None of this makes sense except that I’m less likely to be injured by other motorists in my 3.5ton truck. I found this depressing.
And terrible roads and/or regulations? I can’t help but notice the worst offenders are conservative areas and those usually are neglectful.
And lack of pedestrian infrastructure, and…, and… We can go on and on at how baked into the cake these deaths are in the car cult.
The transportation departments of red states just funnel the monies to corrupt buddies and nothing gets fixed even though there is perpetual road work being (performatively) done.
Ok, noted: New York is almost on par with civilized regions.
That might be skewed as most of their population are in New York City, and more than half of the city doesn’t even own a car.
That’s pretty much the point of the chart. Better public infrastructure decrease the deaths from cars.
Or commuting accidents in traffic are rarely fatal.
Both? Both. Massachusetts is right up there as well, and while Boston isn’t as large or dense as NYC, a full 50% of the workforce in Boston commutes every day using the T. That’s a huge portion of the people who go into and out of Boston daily from outside suburbs and towns who aren’t on the roads.
Oh come on. I don’t think there’s another country on the planet as car-dependent as the US. We have more cars, we drive far, far more than these countries, so of course there will be more deaths. Try it per person/mile driven and I bet the numbers shift quite a bit and it won’t be so dramatic, but the US will still come out “ahead.” On average I’d also bet the US has far higher average travel speed as well generating a higher possibility of fatal accidents.
Edit: Here. Sort by billion km driven. US is #8.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate
Still high, but in context the OP doesn’t offer.
Oh come on. I don’t think there’s another country on the planet as car-dependent as the US.
Well, that in and of itself is something worthy of criticism. One significant side effect of being so car-dependent is that effectively requires us to have low standards when it comes to obtaining and keeping a license.
Canada and Australia, the only other countries in the OP, are both below the US.
As for speed, at least where I am in Canada, they don’t even bother enforcing the limit until you’re at least 20% over it. And Germany, famous for its highway without a speed limit, is still lower than all three countries listed.
Whatever is going on in the US to cause a higher amount of car fatalities isn’t just distance driven or speed.
You ignored the entire point of the post. Your anecdote about enforcement could be apply to any of the countries listed. And the idea that the Autobahn is some kind of speed free-for-all needs to die. It’s highly regulated and restricted. I’ve driven it well over 100mph. Again, the number of Germans driving and the miles they drive vs that of the US is a huge difference.
Yeah but that chart accounted for deaths per distance driven and the bit about speed enforcement and the autobahn was to challenge your assumption that people in the US drive faster on average because people here speed so much they have to be exceeding the limit by a good amount before the cops even blink at them.
That’s part of the problem.
„Yeah, it’s unfair to count us that high in death by alcohol. You should divide it by litre of alcohol drank.“ - said no-one ever, with good reason.
USA is definitely the most car-brained nation, but I don’t think that miles-travelled alone stacks up when comparing states.
As an example for 2022 data from FHWA it shows that Mississippians drove 17,699 miles average, while Minnesotans drove more, at 17,887 miles. Yet Mississippi has more than triple the road fatalities.
Even if you take Mississippi as an outlier, many other states are well over double Minnesota, with similar miles-driven: South Carolina, New Mexico, Oklahoma.
Thought it would be interesting to compare with EU, they published an article in 2023 (https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?oldid=630784) with the following data. This graph uses a number per 1 million inhabitants so divide by 10 to compare it.
The way this chart is formatted is making me more angry than it should lol
As far as I know Finland has the world’s strictest driving licence, so I’m actually surprised to see it posting worse statistics than Sweden here.
Sweden went insane with road security in the nineties (nollvisionen?) so maybe that’s why.
I really don’t see what’s insane about that to be quite honest
Sweden is as expected. 200-something fatalities for 10 million people. Norway stands out😃
It got me thinking about definitions, though. For Sweden every death during transportation is counted (including busses, heavy trucks and single accidents with a bike), while the definition my 2 minute googling found for Canada said deaths resulting from accidents involving automobiles.
The stats are normalised for per 1 million inhabitants are they not?
But your second point is definitely very good. I imagine getting consistent fully comparable numbers from all the various countries isn’t easy.
Need to factor in terrain and weather conditions too.
Like should it really count if I was driving uphill in the snow? Absofuckinglutely not.
How is norway so low?? We have mostly trash roads with a few noteable exceptions. Cliff on one side, river or fjord on the other. No shoulder worth mentioning unlike sweeden, that often have half a lane on either side of the road.
Maybe scarier roads make you drive slower?
driving requirements for license are vastly different among european countries, but also state of the cars, more wealthy nations replace older cars more quickly, so countries like Bulgaria and Romania often sit on their cars for sometimes generations. Add to that the constant honking and cutting off people, temperament of the populus
