I’ve never believed in astrology, but we Scorpios are naturally skeptical.
You’re a Scorpio? No wonder I couldn’t trust you. Sagittariuses and Scorpios are natural enemies. Like Sagittariuses and Cancers. Or Sagittariuses and other Sagittariuses. Dammit Sagittarius! You ruined astrology!!
You Sagittariuses sure are a contentious people!
You just made an enemy for life!
I’m not sure I believe that.
https://youtu.be/9ATtC0zEgjM?si=NswAetIcNfZIijUn&t=36
I should go play some civ again
Necessary work. However, that last instructon isn’t science, it’s education.
I wonder what kind of person calls themselves a “world class expert” in astrology.
You know, I’m something of a galaxy-class expert astrologist myself.
Oh yeah? Well I’m a universe-class master astrologer, third degree.
People with planet sized egos?
Looks like technically any of us can.
The stars of the profession?
My sister. Last year she begged me to do my charts for the next year. Said I would be happily married and on my way to the EU in a new job.
I’m divorced and unemployed. But hey, good news is she’ll do my charts over.
Doesn’t those results mean that we all are world class astrologers? Just roll the dice and you’re as good as the best.
An astrologist. 🤣
People you shouldn’t trust.
Probably exactly the kind you’d expect.
A woman predicted the exact date Biden would step down a few weeks before it happened. She claims to be a world class astrologist. People sort of viewed this as a wow moment. Completely ignoring the fact that it’s been talked about that he might not re run if he won in 2020 (which I think was actually a misquote, but ultimately irrelevant for this discussion). There had been a lot of talk and push for him to step down, especially in the month or so prior to it happening. That someone sort of recognized all this but claimed the stars gave them the exact date is such an obvious Occam’s razor moment lol but people really did believe she was a master level astrologer.
Survivorship bias? Hundreds of other “astrologists” probably tried predicting it too but guessed wrong
Incredible number of expert astrologers out there
yeah truth hurts
Nah, you can’t reason someone out of a belief they weren’t reasoned into.
I don’t think that’s true, and I don’t think you really believe that either…
But I believe it after testing the hypothesis multiple times!
Is that a reference to that tweeter thread about it?
Honestly?
No.
The original comment was “you can’t reason someone out of a belief they weren’t reasoned into” and I was just playing on that by trying to reason them out of the belief that you can’t reason someone out of a belief…
Or at least suggest that you can reason someone out of a belief they weren’t reasoned into. Because it seems within reason that you can reason someone out of a belief they weren’t reasoned into and the reason I suggest that is it seems perfectly reasonable.
(Yeah – sometimes I just get bored and want to see how long I can keep a sentence going and use the same word in it before it breaks down into total chaos).
my zodiac sign is Barnum effect
I’m a Cordova
Is your leather fine, rich or soft?
Usually fine, but when Mercury is in retrograde it becomes rich.
Astrology is so stupid! That’s why I only practice geomancy, the true divination art.
Pffft. Molybdomancy is the one true divination form.
Geomancy is just applied numerology.
I think that’s another name for earthbending
And physics is just applied maths. I feel like the number lobby is trying to sell us more numbers.
That’s how we’ll eventually run out of numbers. And then what? Sell some imaginary ones?
Hey kid, wanna buy a square root of minus one? It fucks you uppppp
It really does
I think it might be closer to applied Sacred Geometry.
I’ve always been a fan of tyromancy.
I’m not sure “fucked off” is an expression…
It is, at the southern edge of the English-speaking world.
Are you fucked off about the title? 😉
Does “fucked off” mean “pissed off” in some vernacular? Not sure I’ve seen/heard that before.
Yeah Bri’ish
Gotcha. Is it a new usage? I wouldn’t say my british slang stays super up to date necessarily… maybe I forgot this one, but I don’t remember seeing/hearing it in the past.
Australian here, heard it all my life. Also, in our dialect you can use fuck to mean pretty much anything, as long as it’s clear from context what sentiment you’re going for
Haha alright. Yeah same in America, sort of. “fucked off” would always mean “left” for us though
Doesn’t ‘piss off’ can mean ‘leave’ in American English too? I use them pretty much interchangeably, maybe ‘fuck off’ expresses a stronger intention.
In America, “piss off” can mean “leave”, but “pissed off” means angry (usually, depending on context it can also mean left). “fuck off” means “leave”, while “fucked off” either means “left” or “screwed around”. It’s complicated haha. In this post, I guess “fucked off” could’ve meant “left” too, but that reads very awkwardly to me so I decided against that theory. Then others are telling me it can mean angry, or least I’m taking their responses to mean that, so I’m thinking OOP meant that here. But maybe I’m still confused! /shrug
(Office Space movie)
As long as I can remember, so not a new thing
They will interpret these results in the manner that seems best to them:-).
So, yes, some people go too far into astrology and some people are actual grifters, but a lot of times, I think most of the time, people are just looking for a little fun. Yes, I know a tarot reading is bullshit, but it can be fun to do and it can be enlightening to see how I think it should be interpreted. Sort of like the idea of ink blotch tests, but that’s not a great comparison.
I really hope this is true because I have met soooo many people in my personal life who seriously believe the position of the stars affects every little facet of your life.
I’ve done tarot and it’s good for helping analyze possibilities. A draw when you’re worried about something can give you a vague situation and it’s often easy to imagine exactly what that is. The caveat is it’s not more likely to happen just because cartomancey says so
Sounds a bit like making a decision by flipping a coin. Whatever you’re hoping for when it’s in the air is the right answer, regardless of what the outcome is.
Exactly, but more open ended. Let’s say you draw the 6 of swords, 3 of coins, and the lovers. You’re worried about your job. The 6 of swords means moving on, 3 of coins means teamwork and collaboration, and the lovers means Union and partnership. Now what does that mean for you? Any number of things, it might be the kick in the ass to call that old friend and start a business together. It may mean you need to move forward and try to unionize your workplace because your job is already at risk. It could present a lot of different possibilities and so long as you understand that those possibilities come from you and not fate and they aren’t necessarily a good idea, but a starting point or a place to reflect. It can be throwing a life preserver to a mind thrashing in the waters of uncertainty, you’re still in the water, but you’re ready to start swimming now.
I agree with you. I think it’s more about having fun and the “show” of having your fortune read. It might also help you think about stuff.
I wonder if there is some benefit from the clients interpretation of the reading, even though the reading itself is nonsense. In the same way someone can flip a coin to help you make a decision, and you realise from your gut reaction what you actually wanted to do all along, but weren’t consciously aware of
yeah and don’t forget the placebo effect
“today’s gonna be a good day for you”
I used to work in a shop that could easily be described as “New Age” and it has a tarot reader there. Having looked at the history of tarot but being a complete sceptic, I asked for a reading one time to see for myself how they go.
Afterwards I asked her “it’s a light therapy session, isn’t it?” She responded “mostly.”
That’s pretty much what it is, cheap, basic therapy to help you sort through your thoughts, and shares some similarities with CBT. I’d still recommend therapy if you need it, but I don’t mind people going to a tarot reader if that’s what helps them. But I still think the mysticism side of it can be a problem for a variety of reasons.
Tarot is also a great way of reflection and introspection by giving external prompts which allow a jumping off point for story creation and reframing. Lot of creative processes recommend this external semi-random prompt because it changes you from your normal thoughts. This allows you to think about what happened or what you want to happen and gives a story and a new perspective. Humans are naturally story tellers and pattern seekers and this taps into that. This reframing is a evidence based therapeutic technique that works.
Also if it makes you feel better in your own head that means it works. Everything is based on our mental state so what is difference
Yeah, that’s really all it is. It gets much more questionable and problematic when it’s things like people claiming to channel dead loved ones.
I talk to my dead dad in my dreams (nothing deep–I usually say “hey, aren’t you dead?” And he says “yep!” And then we discuss board games or dogs) and while it’s comforting for me to maintain that connection to my memory of him, I’d be so absolutely pissed if some stranger tried to horn in on and pollute my memory of my dad.
Oh, 100 percent. There’s much healthier ways to deal with that kind of grief.
One of my wife’s former coworkers said she needed to stop looking into astrology, so I think some people definitely can get into it too much and worry too much about predictions, but on the whole I don’t think astrology (specifically) is problematic as a whole.
But it is interesting that it does cause some people to discriminate against others based on their birthdays lol.
Even at its most harmless, astrology normalizes magical thinking and leaves the door open for more predatory things. Not that big a leap to alternative healing and psychics and other conmen persuading the naive away from legitimate help.
Yup that’s exactly what pissed off Houdini so much that he ended his friendship with Arthur Conan Doyle.
this is definitely the answer, and i don’t get why people are so aggressive about shitting on people who just want a bit of fake mysticism in their lives. literally not hurting anyone to look at the stars and feel stuff
Until they charge $300 for a three hour reading, without disclosing the price or the time beforehand. And refer to all women as “goddesses”. And ask for tastes of four different types of wine before getting the same thing they always get.
You should read The Dice Man
I’ll add that to my reading list, thank you!
Astrology can’t define a person, but maybe astronomy can. Astronomers study space objects way more than astrologists. I bet they actually know how those objects affect our moods and shit.
“A meteor hit your car. I predict this will have a negative impact on your work life this week.”
Wait, they all did 5 out of 12? That means you can make statistical predictions with astrology by selecting the opposite of what the astrologer predicts!
Nobody did better than 5/12. And looking at the average, most didn’t even come close to that.
I jokingly trolled an astrology forum that were giving their predictions for 2020 with “hindsight is 2020”
