What about the part where his daughters rape him?
What a way to get back at someone who was willing to let a crowd of horny freaks have at them.
Is that you, step-prophet?
The cartoon is good except they show the daughters as too old. In those times the girls were married off by 16, so if you’re showing two daughters they should be more like 15 and 12. Imagine that for a fucking second.
Ok where’s the rest of the comic
I thought only my former religion, Islam, had this bullshit. Turned out they’re all the same.
They seems to be copies of each other are far as i can see . some of the books from hinduism seems to be loosly based on them too.
Other way around actually. Judism/Christianity claim to be 4,000+ years old but there is little evidence to back this claim that wasn’t written centuries after the supposed fact.
Hindu religion has temples and manuscripts dating at least that far back and its known that sporadic trade from Rome to China did happen and lands that are now in modern India were a leg on that unofficial trade road. So the various authors of the old testament very well could have had copies of Hindu writing and tales, or been told them second, third or fourth hand through those with a connection to the unofficial trader networks that moved goods and information between the two continents.
Yeah that could be the case
Now that’s a load of BS if I ever seen one, not as bad in Bible but still par. Hinduism books based on islamic or Christin ones? Like from 19 th century that’s possible, but anything before that highly unlikely.
The Holy book of Jews, Christians and Muslims are the same (at the start). They only differ where they stop. New testament is a revision of the old one. So is the Muslim part, but I do not know that too well. This is why you can always find this and contradictions. They only wrote patches, not erratas.
All Abrahamich religions that stem from the same root, Christianity was a direct fork from Judism and Islam having its own roots in both and a few other inputs further east of Palestine.
tbf, isn’t the whole point of the bible to show terrible stories as bad examples?
like aren’t you supposed to draw your own conclusions or whatever from it?
idk i never read it, just know the basic overview of some stuff.Deuteronomy 22: 28-29. If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
Very holy. Very jeezus.
That is very incorrect.
In this story of Lot, he was supposed to be the example of hospitality and showing goodness to God’s angels.
Don’t forget the part where Lot’s daughters get him drunk and rape him
Magic booze - got him so polluted he couldn’t recognize his daughters, but left him functional enough to get it up and fuck them…
The infallible, all-knowing, God (and objective morality) was different back then…
Ahhh stories like this in the Bible are always conveniently overlooked during Sunday school. I wonder why that is? 🤔🤔
They also conveniently forget about Numbers 5 : 11-31, the only time abortion is even mentioned in The Bible, and if you read The Old Testament, The Mishrad, and The Talmud, you’ll realize that The Bible just told you to perform a barbaric abortion method, in case of suspected infidelity. The mother died of the “bitter waters” as well as the fetus, if it was made incorrectly.
#TheF-ingBibleIsProChoice
Or the one where the girls get their father drunk and get pregnant by him.
The daughters get drunk. Dad is fully cognizant the entire time.
This is so easily fact checkable
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+19%3A30-38&version=NKJV
Now the firstborn said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man on the earth to come in to us as is the custom of all the earth. Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve the lineage of our father.” So they made their father drink wine that night. And the firstborn went in and lay with her father, and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.
It happened on the next day that the firstborn said to the younger, “Indeed I lay with my father last night; let us make him drink wine tonight also, and you go in and lie with him, that we may preserve the lineage of our father.” Then they made their father drink wine that night also. And the younger arose and lay with him, and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.
Turns out, half of the bible was just a bunch of dudes talking about their rape and incest kinks.
God also turned Lots wife into a pillar of salt for commiting the heinous crime of checks book again looking over her shoulder, that harlot!
Also, once they were homeless those same daughters drugged and raped him!
The Bible: fun for the whole family!
Funny thing. I had an illustrated kid’s Bible when I was young. The angels clearly told Lot’s feeling family not to look back. Figured it was a FAFO lesson.
Just got done reading the story. No one told anyone not to look back.
No, the angels told them. It’s still stupid. God kills a woman for looking back, he kills a kid for picking up sticks on the sabbath, he kills a guy who tries to keep the ark of the covenant from tipping over.
The Biblical God’s just complete bullshit, honestly.
The pillar-of-salt thing is really weird, even for a deity as capricious as Yahweh. He doesn’t strike her dead. He turns her into salt. There must be something that got lost in translation there.
No, Sodom & Gomorrah were where the Dead Sea is. Very very salty & unique sea. So wife to pillar of salt follows the theme of violent, quick, salty death.
As HAL 9 TRILLION had numerous examples, there are more like John the Baptist’s father & Abraham’s wife Sarah, etc etc etc. All are related by a general rule: do not question the religion/authority figures of the religion, do not talk back or doubt the religious authority, do as you are told & nothing more, nothing less. The Bible calls for blind, unquestioning obedience in all things. I guess it could also be called ‘faith’.
Maybe Yahweh was hungry and wanted some salt to add to his dinner?
I think that area where the story was supposed to have happened is known for having salt pillars, so maybe it was like a warning, “look at all those that got punished”
In the story, Lot’s wife had gone around to neighbors asking to borrow salt, which alerted them to the strangers’ presence. Hence the irony of the punishment. Still, cruel and bizarre and more befitting a medieval fairytale than… well, a bronze-age one.
Please, take my wife!
At least she was punished for looking back herself. Poor Eurydice, on the other hand…
I think it was more that she was metaphorically looking back, as in she was missing the life she used to have. But yeah, god sucks
@MrJameGumb @zarkanian
That whole punishment for not resisting the temptation of looking back seems to have been borrowed from the Greek myth of Orpheus & Eurydice. Like many other biblical stories.That makes sense. The entire religion is basically just a ripoff of Zoroastrianism.
Images of Mary holding baby Jesus are indistinguishable from images of Isis holding baby Horus.
It’s fanfiction all the way down.
The kind of person that considers women as chattel, and less valuable than the favor of strangers,
For those of you who don’t know your full Biblical history, the story of Sodom and Gomorrah continues with Lot’s wife being turned into a pillar of salt and then his daughters get drunk and fuck Lot.
his daughters get drunk and fuck Lot.
I’ve always understood it to be the other way around: Lot’s daughters force Lot to get blackout drunk, then they fuck him while he’s blacked out. Repeatedly.
Remember, lot was an older “drunk” man that got hard one.
Yeah, evidently they wanted children abdly enough to justify raping their dad.
Which is a sentence I just typed. Ew.
Nah, this was just Lot’s story as to why his daughters were pregnant. Just like Mary’s obviously bullshit sorry (“ok, I’m pregnant, but I’m a virgin, honest! God must have done it!”), this was Lot’s excuse because he was raping his daughters. “I got drunk and THEY made me have sex with them!”. Talk about blaming the victims.
This version makes more sense.
Put “a” before Lot and you have a pun.
And the other part of that fucked up story is that the “moral” (and I use that word very loosely) is supposed to be about being kind to strangers in your Country.
What’s arguably even more fucked up is that the basic assumption the story relies on is that the audience is intended to see Lot’s choice not as a betrayal towards his daughters, but as a personal sacrifice in giving up his property. This was considered to be so obvious to the people of its time that it goes unstated.
If it isn’t stated how do you know it was the author’s intention?
I would say that Lot’s being a good host. His parenting could use some work.
The major issue is that women are property in that culture, whereas the guests are men and have rights
Nah, it’s guest rites. Or guest rights, depending on your perspective
It’s a huge thing in all ancient cultures and probably all religions. Not even just ancient cultures, the US had similar things in the frontier days.
People used to walk across continents - humans can’t just hike for 6 months, we’re not built for that - we have to take breaks and build up a bit before we keep moving, it takes time to keep yourself supplied.
Humans leap frog, it’s how we spread worldwide. We have guest rites - sets of expectations for guests and hosts, and violating them is a major taboo. Even in our media, it still fills us with instinctive revulsion
Is this example ridiculous and morally dubious even in it’s own context? Absolutely.
But it’s not just about shielding a foreigner, it’s about the moral imperative to follow through once you’ve offered someone shelter
Lot’s wife became the salt of the earth.
The bible more directly endorses war rape:
Deuteronomy 21:10-14 ESV
When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God gives them into your hand and you take them captive, and you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you desire to take her to be your wife, and you bring her home to your house, she shall shave her head and pare her nails. And she shall take off the clothes in which she was captured and shall remain in your house and lament her father and her mother a full month. After that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife.
That’s ridiculous.
No, that’s history. Back then taking defeated enemies as slaves was pretty much standard. And with the slavery part of course there also came the rape part. That was how wars were done for the vast majority of human history.
then why are millions of people still using an incredibly outdated book as a “source” of their “morality”
They largely only study and follow parts of that book. The entire thing doesn’t hold equal weight to them.
That’s kind of the whole point of Jesus existing. Jesus brought forth the new covenant. Before this, God was worshipped by sacrifices, strict rules, etc. In the old testament, the Jews(God’s chosen) failed to keep God’s law, and they were repeatedly punished for it.
The Messiah the Jews expected was going to be the savior and liberator of the Jews and “put them on top” so to speak.
Instead, Jesus offered salvation to all(gentiles). Clearly, Jesus and his new covenant stands in defiance of the old testament.
The old testament is mostly viewed in historical context.
Then they’re choosing which parts of the book to follow based on their own morality, disproving that the Bible is the source of their morality.
You’re grossly oversimplifying spirituality.
That’s a complete different question. But from the historical context the stuff in the Bible does make sense. After all it’s written by people living in this reality.
Yes, but it’s still ridiculous.
In today’s, especially western, point of view? Sure. But luckily there really aren’t Christians anymore who actually do this today.
Deuteronomy 21:10-14 ESV
The whole Bible is full of insane ridiculous shit like this. It baffles me that people say they live their lives by it and don’t even know what it says.
To be fair, there’s zero expectation in most of Christianity that the entire Bible needs to be read and followed equally. Most Christians follow mostly the New Testament, and particularly the gospels. Some of this stuff in the Old Testament is less often talked about, taught, or even brought up. The stuff they focus on from the Old Testament are lessons about being tested and having faith (like Job) or the “generally love people and be a good person” niceties from books like Psalms.
I’m not defending it. But having grown up in that world, it’s not at all like they give the same weight to these crazy verses as they do to the stories about Jesus. It’s somewhat disingenuous to mock them simply cause these verses exist. Most don’t follow these parts of the bible.
It’s not mockery, it’s a counter to the frequent assertion that religion is a source of morality.
Also when you consider most Christians consider the text to be wholly sacred, and many consider the Bible to be fully literal and without any fault.
‘Spoils of war’ sounds a little different when you consider this, and the medieval blindness to the age of consent. I wonder how many incels of the past joined the crusades to get a pussy without any responsibilities.
Probably a lot. Think about the most rural places in Afghanistan, a culture disconnected from the world without a modern education. That was the majority of people in the past.
How does “she gets a month to mourn and then you get married” equate to “pussy without any responsibilities”?
Shut the fuck up, why are you ignoring the rest of the context for that? Forced war brides and rape are fine if you give them a grieving period??
Well if it’s context you want, back in those days - and let me stress before you jump to another incorrect conclusion that I don’t agree with this - women were possessions, not the independent equals they are today. Before marriage they belonged to their fathers, and after marriage they belonged to their husbands, and in both cases she was provided for by her owner. An “unowned” woman was in a horrible position, with no provider and no ability to provide for herself, there was little option but to become a slave or a prostitute.
If her husband was killed in war then being taken on as a wife by someone else was in her better interests. And if you want to call the resulting sex rape that’s up to you, but in effect you’re calling all marital sex back then rape (because war bride or otherwise, she had no say in the matter), so it kind of loses its meaning.
Oddly specific ask of the Bible
Well that explains everything
Yahweh was originally actually a Levantine god of war, which explains the violent and weird accounts in the Old Testament.
Wait, hang on. This particular deity is the one people started to worship during the bronze age collapse, and that belief system has stuck around since the worst dark ages in history? Fuckin hell.
I guess the demand to worship only one god-- and a god of war at that-- will make that deity worshipped almost forever.
On the other hand, the worship of Yahweh as we know today also has had influence from Zoroastrian god, Zarathustra, who is an icon of love. Zoroastrians also believe only in one God, but it’s not Yahweh. Although, the image of Yahweh as an all-loving deity probably was inspired from the Zoroastrian god, despite the contradicting image of violent behaviour from the bible.
Religion is just a game of telephone basically, before phones were invented.
Also explains why it’s the most common religion in much of the world. If you have one group of people worshipping a god that says “be cool and don’t kill each other,” and another group worshipping a god that says “be uncool and kill anyone who doesn’t worship me,” one of those religious beliefs is far more fit to survive than the other
is this something they really put in the Bible to adhere to? Like you can do the deed but let them cry for a month first 😭
People will always draw the line for acceptable behavior just past where they find themselves.
With that in mind we can surmise that the person that wrote this was very likely guilty of war rape, but he thought highly of himself for letting the woman grieve first. Very likely the people he was writing this for were also commonly guilty of war rape and thought little of it.
Not just grieving, but making her his wife, which also means taking care of her.
It’s still rape by todays standards and I won’t be defending it. But making someone your wife was a lot better than raping a woman and then leaving her, unweddable, in a time where a woman couldn’t earn their own income
Even up until recently, marriage has still been seen as economically motivated. It’s especially the case in many developing countries. Where I’m from originally, some people still say “being practical” in terms of marrying someone. Of course you want to marry someone not just out of love but also who could provide economically. Though in many cases, the notion of “being practical” is looking for someone to be sugar daddy or sugar mommy.
That time and that culture, women didn’t give consent. Their fathers or husbands did. If she had no father or husband, then there was no one to deny a man that lusted for her. Some parts of the world still operate on this barbaric thinking.
The entire old testament is included for the explicit purpose of reminding people how terrible the world was before Christ’s new covenant.
That’s not really true, it’s there because the god in it is supposed to be his dad and that’s where he gets all his authority from. What’s the point of listening to jesus if his dad is a vile idiot?
The people who selected the books for the Bible would have very literally killed you for saying that those passages are abhorrent, and you could have been executed for the same crime for all over a thousand years after
It’s not that the passages are “abhorrent” but rather that it is a historical telling of what the world was like before Jesus “saved” everyone. Feel however you like about that, but that is the entire point of the book.
No, not even close. The old testament is a product of its time, a few thousand years ago. The entire religion was built around keeping power with the elders and “wise” rather than the brutalist young men. So they found ways to justify things young men would do, its approved by god, and actions that would jeopardize the power of the elders or their holdings was now a sin. By defining whats good and evil in this way they could enforce control on younger generations that could just as easily put them to the sword as they so readily did their enemies, and cast out or exiled those who challenged the status quo.
The new testament came about largely thanks to Roman incursions into Judea. Where an elder could cast out a member of their tribe and condemn them to death, a Roman officer of the legions did not fear any such reprisals of what they saw as some foolish desert cult. They killed and displaced much of the Hebrew power structure and most of the men that would rise against them that a generation of younger and milder (by standards of the day) men could add their own testament displacing the elders and giving the upcoming generation an early chance at the reigns, forming a breakaway religion we recognize as Christianity today, while those who stuck to old Orthodox Hebrew ways is what we would recognize as the Jewish religion today.
So while it is true that much of the new testament was written in a way to contrast itself against the old testament, that was done centuries after the Torah and greater part of the old testament had been the basis of the Hebrew faith for centuries.
Can’t say I disagree with you. What you wrote is more of an in depth version of what I did, in my estimation.
Not really, you stated the old testament is there to show people were wicked and evil before Christianity in the new testament. That’s not why its included in the bible or why it was written.
It’s included because the entire Christian religion is built off the Hebrew writings so they are included for continuity. At times the old testament was even seen as a set of laws and ways a good person should live their life.
people were wicked and evil before Christianity
I’ve not once said such a thing. I said that it was included to make clear the contrast between how terrible the world was before Christ, so people can appreciate what Christ did for them. And again, you don’t have to agree with that, but you ought to at least be honest about the purpose for which it was included.
Im just so tired of web comics
How do you even? That’s like saying “I’m just so tried of music”.
