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  • Tinidril@midwest.social
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    3 months ago

    Fascism is sociologically rooted in the sexual insecurity of men. That’s why it’s always men driving it.

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      3 months ago

      Fascism is Capitalism in decline. Masculinity is a recognized part of fascism, but fascism is rooted in Capitslist decay, not in moral failures of men.

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        3 months ago

        Masculinity by your argument is also rooted in the development of vaccines, all of the aspects of technological progress, and also all progressive social movements that have resulted in more equitable distribution of political power, ie voting rights act, giving women the vote, etc.

        • Cakey@discuss.tchncs.de
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          I mean, if history lessons in Italy taught me anything, the ‘super uomo D’Annunziano’, “D’annunzio” and the original italian ‘fascism’ are pretty much linked.

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        3 months ago

        Women live in the same declining capitalistic society as men, yet they are far more resistant to fascism. That’s not to say there is something wrong with men or masculinity. Society puts different pressures on men and women so they react differently.

      • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        Fascism is capitalism when the capitalist class gets too successful, as soon as the capitalists realize they can establish fascism they always do.

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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          Not quite. Fascism occurs when disparity rises, the petite bourgeoisie are being proletarianized, and collaborates with the bourgeoisie against rising class awareness and leftism among the Proletariat and Lumpenproletariat. It isn’t a symptom of success, but a defense mechanism.

              • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                Yet what I find extremely intriguing is that the capitalist class profits immensely when capitalism decays and therefore actively contributes towards its downfall. Therefore in a sence fascism is when the capitalist class is too successful and when nobody pushes back against their decay and corruption.

      • Cypher@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        I knew it as soon as I read your ‘Tate is right’ bullshit.

        So facism is mens fault?

        Yes. Men had all the political power in the countries that turned to fascism in the past. If you knew any history this would be obvious.

        I wonder how that effects a young man who isnt a facist while they are developing?

        The same way that one woman having an abortion harms another woman; not at all.

        Ur narrative is actively harming young men and driving them to be the very thing u swore to drstroy.

        It’s room temperature IQ weakling reactionaries like you that are harming young men. Real men stand against fascists.

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          Yes. Men had all the political power in the countries that turned to fascism in the past. If you knew any history this would be obvious.

          this is kind of meaningless to point out, since men also had the power in every country that turned towards socialism, gave or took away rights, started and ended wars, etc.

        • I knew it as soon as I read your ‘Tate is right’ bullshit.

          So men have no issues and the only reason men are listening to tate is cos they are hatfull evil bastards?

          Yes. Men had all the political power in the countries that turned to fascism in the past. If you knew any history this would be obvious.

          Im so happy to learn that women didnt go along with fascism or support it in any way. If u knew anything about history u’d have heard of Magda Goebbels, Irma Grese, Eva Braun, Margaret Harker, Yukiko Sugishita etc.

          The same way that one woman having an abortion harms another woman; not at all.

          Abortions are about the liberty to do with onself as one wishes, what does this got to do with u blaming men for fascism? Having you gender (something where most people derive a majority of their identity) blamed for the entirety of facism and its hanouse actions isnt exactly fair or a good way to raise a child.

          It’s room temperature IQ weakling reactionaries like you that are harming young men. Real men stand against fascists.

          This is bad faith child-like insults not a civilised discussion of ideas undertaken by real adults. I stand against fascists and i will not let you paint me as one.

          • Cypher@lemmy.world
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            3 months ago

            There are definitely issues affecting men, the only men listening to Tate are weaklings looking to a perceived ‘tough guy’ for answers.

            If u knew anything about history

            I would also know they didn’t get voted into positions of power, give speeches, command invasions or otherwise directly wield any power. Because they were living in patriarchal societies. Please think before you comment.

            Abortions are about the liberty to do with onself as one wishes, what does this got to do with u blaming men for fascism?

            As much as calling out fascists has to do with impacting the political views of non-fascists. There’s an Explain Like I’m Five sub somewhere you could post this question to.

            If you don’t want to be insulted you should avoid entering conversations by parroting the views of rapists.

      • TheDoctor [they/them]@hexbear.net
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        This is insulting as fuck. I grew up as a boy with plenty of reactionary beliefs because patriarchy is a fucking prison. And as I got older and got called out for it, you know what I didn’t do? Become a fucking fascist. I wasn’t pushed towards fascism. I was already reactionary and fascism would have required less work of me. That’s not the same thing. And it lets people off the hook to suggest otherwise.

        • Ok so ur smart enough not to be a fascist congratulations for achieving the bare minimum. Do u think most people are bright enough to go “ohhh yeah fascism is my fault because of the gender i was born i shall apologise for my genders ancestors actions” or do they go “no fuck you and fuck everything you stand for”?

          • frauddogg [null/void, undecided]@hexbear.net
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            3 months ago

            ohhh yeah fascism is my fault

            I mean if the shoe fits

            because of the gender i was born

            it’s this aggrieved “wah poor me for being born a man” shit that makes people disregard your bullshit in the first place. whatever happened to masculinity being defined by setting your jaw, gritting your teeth, and fixing your own fuckeries before they could adversely harm your surroundings?

            i shall apologise for my genders ancestors actions

            literally the bare fucking minimum a cracker could do and you phrase it like it’s an impossible fucking pipe dream. and you wonder why people disregard and avoid bullshit peddlers like you.

            christ, our species is cooked if you’re an example of the kind of man the future has to look forward to

        • Tinidril@midwest.social
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          How is it insulting? I didn’t say it was you. Fascism is a social phenomenon driven almost entirely by men. That doesn’t mean all men are fascists, or that there is something wrong with masculinity. It’s about certain men in certain situations reacting in what is an entirely predictable way. It is perhaps an insult to fascist men, but I’m comfortable insulting them.

      • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world
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        The only possible explanation for any of this is that men are bad and we should definitely not examine the underlying causes and material conditions at all.

      • Tinidril@midwest.social
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        No, it’s not “men’s” fault, but the people who’s fault it is are primarily men. That’s not an opinion, that’s just history, not to mention what’s happening before our eyes. Even women who are fascist push patriarchy. There is no point in debating whether fascism is primarily a male driven phenomenon. The only legitimate question is why?

      • Chuymatt@beehaw.org
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        Your misconstruing the statement. Fascism is a way for insecure men to feel powerful. These men are feeling insecure due to lack of job prospects, lack of honest to God to physical insecurity, and that also makes them less desirable to potential mates.

        The way to protect against fascism is to ensure proper addressing of Maslow‘s-goddamn-hierarchy of needs. Endstage, capitalism leads to fascism, but it has to secure itself in spreading racism and sexism.

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        3 months ago

        and driving them to be the very thing u swore to drstroy.

        Such profound concern trolling wisdom from the wisest of all Star Wars characters! soypoint-1 live-slug-reaction soypoint-2

      • Tinidril@midwest.social
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        There is a ton of academic interest in the relationship between sexuality and fascism. It was first noted in “The Mass Psychology of Fascism” by Wilhelm Reich after WW2. My comment is, of course, a massive oversimplification of a complex social dynamic.

        It’s the same dynamic that made US racists paranoid that black men wanted to rape white women when, in fact, their deeper fear was that white women wanted to have sex with black men. Fascists are particularly sensitive to sexual relations between “their women” and whomever they have chosen to blame for all their misfortunes.