In the recent Iran–Israel ceasefire situation, both sides publicly declared agreement on a truce. Hours later, Israel claimed Iran had launched missiles, violating the deal. Iran, in turn, denied any such launch ever took place.
What strikes me is how dramatically their statements diverge — and yet neither has offered any solid proof. No satellite imagery, no intercepted communications, no verified video footage. This makes me wonder: when the technical means to confirm or disprove such claims exist (e.g. radar logs, satellite evidence), why would either side risk an outright lie that could be exposed?
Who’s lying — and more importantly, why? Is the goal simply to shape narrative momentum before facts can catch up? Are these statements made for internal audiences rather than international credibility?
I’m curious how others interpret such deliberate ambiguity. Can both sides be bluffing, or are we missing crucial pieces from third-party observers?
Neither side is lying in this paricular case (I think). I heard iran fired missiles a minute before the ceasefire was supposed to start, they must have landed in pissrael after the start, predictably riling up the nazis and making them strike back.
So iran has:
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Accepted the ceasefire pissrael wanted
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Not violated the ceasefire
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Gotten pissrael to break the ceasefire
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While firing their missile barrages almost uninterrupted
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Who’s lying
it’s the white people. always. the perfidious cracker can’t help but lie, it’s in his nature
as an unscrupulous honkey I have to tell you we’re actually very truthful!See, we can’t help it!
The begged question here is, what are the consequences of lying? As others have pointed out, Israel has been lying since day one in the larger conflict; if lying about mass SA and Hamas being in every hospital they bomb hasn’t had any negative fallout, why would they care now? Conversely, the West will spin Iran as being a terrorist state regardless of what it does so it’s not like honesty will earn them any credit.
And on the matter of begged questions, this is really an Iran-Israel-America ceasefire situation. I think, for once, Trump was being honest when he tweeted “Now is the time for peace.” The Trump administration has no love for Iran, but I also think there’s some discontent at feeling like it’s Netanyahu taking the lead on things here instead of Trump. So they really thought a few missile strikes would cow Iran into backing down. Which means the U.S. is putting pressure on Israel to make it look like there’s been a ceasefire deal even if there really isn’t one.
One side consistently blatantly lies. This isn’t particle physics. One doesn’t need to over think it.
Like if one’s partner has cheated on then 40 times, it’s a Saturday and they’re not picking up their phone. You need to look at the whole history of the person (or country) when finding an answer.
How can someone lie so consistently? Lying is usually a tool for achieving short-term goals — a means to an end. But when a person or a side lies shamelessly, and their lies are so transparent that anyone can see through them with minimal effort, it raises a deeper question: what purpose does it serve to lie so openly, so repeatedly? Or is it a sign that truth no longer matters in the game they’re playing?
The Zionist entity is completely founded on lies, literally founded by a bunch of atheist Jews who claimed the Jewish God they don’t even believe in promised the land to them. It always has contempt for the truth. The compulsion towards lying is ideological at this point. They lied about a God they don’t actually believe in promising a land, so what’s a small lie like lying about a ceasefire in comparison?
anyone can see through them with minimal effort
This is where some of the problem is. Most people aren’t even going to try to think about it, they’re just going to believe what they already believe regardless of what happens. Conservatives are especially like this, but really just about anyone who isn’t actively tearing down their own indoctrination is just nodding and smiling at everything around them like they’ve been trained to do their entire lives.
They say the wrong things on purpose. They know everyone else knows they’re lying. They do it to demonstrate power. It’s bullying conducted on a large, systematic scale. By the time a person proves their lies are wrong, they’ve moved onto the next lie.
Why do this? Why the need to demonstrate this kind of power? They’re making excuses for stealing and murdering. They’re going to kill your family, then say they deserved it for whatever reason. It tells the out-groups they are powerless, they don’t even have control over the truth. It tells the rest of their in-group they can act with impunity and feel no guilt or remorse for the atrocities they commit.
It’s White Man’s Burden, Manifest Destiny, thousand-year Reich, Lebensraum, Crusades, etc. etc. repackaged for the needs of Isreal and zionists.
Or is it a sign that truth no longer matters in the game they’re playing?
Probably that one. The West has settled on the position that Iran is evil and must be destroyed, so when a Trusted Source (our friendly and reliable ally Israel) says they did a Perfidious Thing, the press will happily pick it up and run it uncritically and the public will believe it without seeking further verification, and then the destruction can continue
“kicking the can down the road” is the basis for belief in a capitalist society. It can go on a pretty long time if you keep lying brazenly enough to an audience that only gets their news from you.
I think that other people and societies can care about doing the right thing more or less. Israel is a settler state, and wants to genocide its neighbors. They consistently have proven that they don’t give a fuck about international law or their prestige.
how can iran provide proof of not firing missiles?
Fair point. But Iran could still support its claim by inviting third-party verification (e.g. UN observers), sharing radar logs or telemetry from its own systems, or requesting satellite data from neutral countries. Even if indirect, such gestures can strengthen credibility.
Ask Saddam about third party verification
