The Movement for Settlement in Southern Lebanon said the settlement of the area will bring 'true and stable security to northern Israel'

The Movement for Settlement in Southern Lebanon said the settlement of the area will bring ‘true and stable security to northern Israel’

    • Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.ccEnglish
      373·
      3 months ago

      Doesn’t even stop them for doing it in Gaza and West Bank. That piece of land, that Israel we know now, is a combination of land grab through purchasing and warfare.

    • sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      2 months ago

      Not yet, but soon, they’d say.

      I’ll throw in a few random thoughts there:

      “The war will give us the land. The concepts of “ours” and “not ours” are peace concepts, only, and in war they lose their whole meaning” (Ben-Gurion, War Diary, Vol. 1, entry dated 6 February 1948. p.211)

      So lets look at what will unfold in the next few months concerning Gazan land in the Israeli legal system, and in the future, Lebanese land. Once a peice of land is considered Israel, Non jews are forbidden by the torah from owning it, and jews arent allowed to sell or transfer it to non jews. They are permitted to lease it to nonjews for up to 50 years until a “jubilee” year, at which point all leases automatically terminate and the land is returned to its rightful owners regardless of other considerations. https://torah.org/torah-portion/weekly-halacha-5773-noach/ Thats for land not in a “town”. If its in a town those rules do not apply. If the land has no buildings or inhabitants (which is Gaza, now) its not a town anymore and is just “land”.

      To add to this underdstanding of who owns ‘just land’, If you “find” land and improve it, with a single stepping stone even, if no one contests you after a period of 1 year, the land can be registered as yours thereafter. That is, barring any local laws which forbid such things (if say, you live in another country). But in war those laws are suspended as it is contested land. Land owners can also contest it by building an even better improvement than the interloper.

      This derives from the idea that all land is actually owned by god, and Israelis are the people of god, amongst other concepts. Leviticus is chock full of land ownership rules, most of which never realy were implemented, although they are cited in disputes.

      So, as we cross a year of north gaza being destroyed, religious israelis will now legally refer to all of it as unimproved land where no town sits.

      As an ancillary consideration-- there are now few functioning religious sites present. This pertains to an exception about land reserved for religious purposes, and is why Palestinian graveyards were exhumed and erased, and mosques attacked. A mosque isnt a mosque if no one goes to it, and a graveyard isnt a graveyard if the bodies and markers are removed.

      On the day the consideration is made the Israelis can clear out any inhabitants on it. If no one shows to the trial to contest, gaza will henceforth and forever be owned by israelis who register the land, and thus “gaza” will cease to legally exist as militarily occupied land, and will legally be considered Israel, by Israelis at least, and by people who consider these land rules to be a legitimate practice-- which surprisingly a lot of countries will do, because its customary to honor the laws of foriegn lands.

      So look for that in the actions of their military in the week after the US election in November. They’ll probably eventually do it in souhtern Lebanon as well, if they can make enough excuses to bomb city blocks and hold them vacant for a year. The US will back the ownership transfer and say they customarily dont get involved in internal government issues, and have no room to comment, if local laws were followed. They will tell people to take it up with the Israeli courts.

    • Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.winEnglish
      381·
      3 months ago

      That’s what happens when you resort to violence. The strong win and the weak cry about injustice. Maybe next time they’ll not bombard Israel with rockets if the price tag is too high.

      • floofloof@lemmy.caEnglish
        443·
        3 months ago

        The strong win and the weak cry about injustice. Maybe next time they’ll not bombard Israel with rockets if the price tag is too high.

        Spoken like a true fascist.

        • Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.winEnglish
          255·
          3 months ago

          There there. I was only kidding. Everybody knows violence results in the weak winning and the strong crying about it. 🙄

      • Keeponstalin@lemmy.worldEnglish
        345·
        3 months ago

        Israeli attacks on Lebanon have killed more than 1,974 people, including 127 children. At least 9,384 people wounded.

        There is also the fact that Israel has been committing genocide for over a year.

        Euro-Med Monitor’s death count differs from that reported by the Gaza Ministry of Health — which currently stands at roughly 42,000 — as it accounts for reports by the human rights groups’ field team. But the true death toll is likely to be far, far higher; estimates from health experts have ranged from 100,000 to over 330,000, or about 15 percent of Gaza’s population.

        In its over 100-page report, Euro-Med Monitor lays out some of the worst atrocities carried out by Israeli forces over the past year. It details the “systematic acts of genocide committed in Gaza, such as the targeted killing of civilians in homes, shelters, displacement camps, and humanitarian-declared zones,” and too many other examples to list.

        • Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.winEnglish
          334·
          3 months ago

          Clearly, more violence is what will fix this. /s

          Be sure to let me know when an #-page report is released and/or casualty projections are large enough that the price-tag isn’t worth it. Otherwise you’re using violence to justify violence and this cycle of death continues… to whose benefit again?

          • Keeponstalin@lemmy.worldEnglish
            251·
            3 months ago

            If you read the first three chapters of that report, you’ll have your answer

            Israel has repeatedly chosen violence over peace. They’ve even assassinated the Principal Peace Negotiator multiple times, in order to continue delaying peace negotiations

      • BMTea@lemmy.worldEnglish
        292·
        3 months ago

        The strong win and the weak cry about injustice.

        Wow! You’ve just changed me entire outlook on the Holocaust!

      • small44@lemmy.worldEnglish
        155·
        3 months ago

        Israel would be living safely if they didn’t decide to colonize Gaza, the West bank and many other Arab land in 67

      • NeuronautML@lemmy.mlEnglish
        4·
        3 months ago

        I guess you could consider Israel strong if you remember that this strength comes from the US taxpayers being swindled out of their healthcare, social support and education money, which is funneled into donations to Israel and a massive armed forces that keeps its genocide regime propped up, while US tuition prices skyrocket and schools barely have teachers and facilities in many places, certainly not to the same level as it used to be.

        Meanwhile hordes of people live in tents, work 60 hours a week living paycheck to paycheck and have no medical, paternity leave or sometimes even the same number of paid time off days as the rest of the world. Even the president takes a huge crap all over protesting rail workers, who wanted some sick leave and some safety in their workplace, which sees American railways eroding in quality and safety in favor of bigger trains and less personnel operating them.

        I guess genocide has a price that someone has to pay. Honestly, i wouldn’t see that necessarily as strength. More like outright exploitation of the American people, the Palestinians and now the Lebanese for an old fairly tale that some magic being told a long time ago.

      • sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21·
        2 months ago

        The strong win and the weak cry about injustice.

        Thats … awkward. By your understanding the WW2 holocaust was …fine and normal.

        Thats how deep your morality goes huh. Wow. So you’re a Nazi then?

        • Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.winEnglish
          14·
          2 months ago

          Nope, just somebody that can understand complete sentences.

          OOC what’s the casualty count at? You think name calling is going to bring them back, or is it just to make you feel better for not doing anything substantial to save lives?

    • Nougat@fedia.io
      551·
      3 months ago

      The only thing being pointed out there is that the settler group Uri Tzafon is not directly associated with the Israeli government. The article posted here doesn’t say that they are.

      Sure, this fringe group may be taking advantage of Israel’s incursion into Lebanon for their own purposes, but the fact that the Israeli government doesn’t say “Hey, cut that shit out,” is telling. I would further expect that when “settlers” (occupiers) decide to take up residence in another country and then rightfully get kicked the fuck out of that country by force, that the Israeli government/military might then protect them in Lebanon. All while still saying “Oh, they’re not at all affiliated with the Israeli government!”

      • scarabic@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        3 months ago

        this fringe group may be taking advantage of Israel’s incursion into Lebanon for their own purposes, but the fact that the Israeli government doesn’t say “Hey, cut that shit out,” is telling

        It sure is. It’s telling the exact same story the West Bank has seen play out for decades now.

      • mightyfoolish@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        3 months ago

        settler group Uri Tzafon is not directly associated with the Israeli governmen

        Isn’t that way we call them settlers?

        • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          8·
          3 months ago

          For me settling is primarily about stealing land. I’m not so concerned about the “legal status” of that theft under the thieves’ regime.

            • scarabic@lemmy.worldEnglish
              6·
              3 months ago

              They’re definitely Israelis. Are they agents of the government? Well this is a little subtler than you might think. No they are not on government payroll. Yes they hang on their government’s week to week, mile by mile policy posture toward settlement and constantly take as much as they can get away with without alienating that government. It’s such a tight relationship that yes, you should effectively hold the government responsible for their behavior.

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
      312·
      3 months ago

      …

      The movement’s founder, Professor Amos Azaria, told Middle East Eye that: “Having a proper border based on the Litani river, or the Zahrani [river], will not only allow proper control over the border, but will in fact shorten the border as it becomes more of a straight line.

      You can easily Google that guy

      But maybe your problem is the source?

      Do you trust an Israeli news agency more? Not sure why anyone would, but here you go.

      https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-18/ty-article/.premium/lebanon-part-of-the-promised-land-israels-messianic-right-wing-targets-new-territory/00000190-2b9d-d340-a1f8-2b9d18220000