How’s that “Schumer Strategy” working out for ya?
The DNC knew it would fail. That was the plan. Perhaps not this spectacularly, but they knew it wouldn’t work. They did their job. They defended the interests of Capital.
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Yeah, they’re just passing the buck to the people responsible for winning votes who made every decision about how to run the campaign that lost.
That’s sarcasm, by the way. I know how thick you people can be, so I thought I’d just point that out.
We’re adults here. It’s our choice to vote or not. I really dislike the implication that handholding voters to the ballot box is necessary. Yeah, the DNC f’s up plenty, but at the end of the day people that should have voted, didn’t.
people that should have voted, didn’t.
The people who didn’t vote wanted Harris less than they wanted Trump.
They are allowed to have that opinion.
And I really dislike the implication that voters should be expected to change to meet the campaigns that politicians want to run as opposed to politicians changing their campaigns based around what the voters want.
The blame should always go upwards, but instead it’s always pointed downward.
Preach
The choice was between a potential dictatorship and a mealy neoliberal. At some point it doesn’t matter you weren’t catered to. Failing to vote is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I hope voters like the change that will be forced on them with this new administration seeing as they couldn’t change their self interest enough to vote. Or will they just play the victim, taking up the Republican’s mantle and blame everyone else for the situation they find themselves in?
I have zero sympathy.
Who gives a shit about your sympathy? What matters is what can be changed in the future to prevent this outcome from happening again.
You seem to think the thing that needs to change is voters at large. I have no idea what your plan is to make that happen other than condescending lectures and shaming people into obedience, which, good luck with that. The things I’m saying should be done differently would only require a handful of politicians to change. So the question is, is it easier to change how a couple politicians behave, or how all of society behaves?
That’s not what I said at all. But keep playing the victim here.
I mean it worked so well when Hillary called all Trump voters deplorables and got a hate train going for “Berniebros” /s
I have zero sympathy.
Exactly.
I’m sure them supporting and paying to kill women and children didn’t help either, and that their online cult acted almost as fascist as the person they claimed they were trying to stop.
You can stop now. Putin isnt paying overtime.
Nobody is under the illusion that Trump is better for the situation in Gaza than Harris.
But, too many left-leaning voters feel they have to “take a stand” by staying home or voting third party. I have several friends who did exactly that, even though it’s abundantly clear that staying home is effectively a vote for Trump.
Meanwhile, NOBODY on the conservative side is doing that shit. It’s been true since the Reagan era, the conservatives put aside any personal distaste they have, and they get behind their candidate.
But, too many left-leaning voters feel they have to “take a stand” by staying home or voting third party. I have several friends who did exactly that, even though it’s abundantly clear that staying home is effectively a vote for Trump.
That is the big problem here that people just don’t want to admit.
Could it be the dogshit right wing Hillary-repeating campaign the Harris folks ran?
The same campaign leftists have been tearing apart and pointing out the objective failures of, predicting exactly this result?
No, it must be the nonexistent leftists who are wrong.
You people are hilarious lmao. You seriously think the average American even knows one shred of leftist theory?
I guess if you people knew why you lost, you wouldn’t have lost so I can’t blame you too much. The curse of a weak mind must be hard to bear.
That’s a lot of words that mean fuck all.
But I guess you’ve got to score your nonexistent points somehow.
“We’ve been actively trying to tear you down, it’s not our fault.”
Correct its the fault of the person advocating a genocide.
‘dont commit a genocide, toss in some prolabor policies.’
‘Stop tearing me down!’
Do you even fucking hear yourself. Lol
“Do you hear yourself” from you is rich.
Indeed my speech is high in protein. It does the soul good. You should try not supporting a genocide sometime yourself. Once you can do that all the other little groups im sure you’ve tried to brow beat people with would suddenly also be protected.
Just look at the numbers. Harris will probably finish 15 million votes behind Biden 2020. Those are people who could have voted, but didn’t.
Almost like Kamala could have changed her stance on the situation and got those people out to vote for her. But sure, let’s blame people not willing to hold their nose and vote for more genocide.
And by doing so the voted for more genocide. What a bunch of dumb cunts.
I agree. The Democrat party has become nothing more than a bunch of dumb corporate bureaucrats. Will they ever learn?
Aww dude. Good job completely missing the point. But hey if it helps you sleep at night.
Good job getting Trump elected.
Pretty impressive since I’m in Ireland. And you’re the one trying to justify not voting.
Hmm yes let us instead enable the guy who wants to give Israel a blank check with no leash, very smart
and that their online cult acted almost as fascist as the person they claimed they were trying to stop.
Yeah, like how Harris fans were talking about people poisoning the blood of the country and their plans about deporting millions of people, which would require concentration camps. And then there’s the Democratic party’s genocidal persecution of queer people.
Basically no difference at all.
I don’t want to leave this country, but I’m so fucking glad I’ll get away from these sort of stupid lies.
It doesn’t matter what country you go as long as it is a two party corporatocracy and the “left” is parading around with war-mongering neocons, supporting genocide, censoring and astroturfing social media for people point it out, etc… then you’ll get the same result.
Oh that’s fine. It’s a three party corporatocracy in England. Plus the corporatocracies in other parts of Britain.
But they know what fascism is and they know that what Harris’ supporters wanted wasn’t fascism. So I’m happy to be going there.
I’m a progressive that is against fascism and genocide, but the number of Democrats that censored me and called me a fascist has me convinced that many of them are perfectly content with fascism as long as it is their fascism.
What, exactly, is “their fascism?”
“Censoring” you on a non-government website has nothing to do with fascism.
Censoring people, especially when they’re telling the truth, so you can control the narrative through gaslighting and lies is pretty fascist in my book.
Then you need to learn what fascism is. And from someone who lived through a brutal fascist regime:
I’m not in your country, but already have Timewarp tagged as “Trump talking point maniac” for some time. Just so you know the lies are available abroad too.
I know they are, but less so. Or at least hopefully less so about America. I’ll have to deal with all new lies in Britain.
Well Keir Starmer was one of the first to congratulate Trump on his victory before it was official, and talk about the “special relationship” between the two countries, so I wouldn’t get your hopes up. Trump also owns a golf club is Scotland, so is sure to visit and the Tories are pushing for him to be allowed to address parliament when he does, which is nice.
When Keir Starmer starts planning the queer genocide Trump’s people are planning, I’ll give more of a shit. Right now, I am laser-focused on protecting my child. That is my only job right now.
To drop all the snark: I do worry about the UK, but for sure it would be a better place to be than the US right now.
They were talking about their plans to deport more people, build more immigrant holding facilities, and shutting the border down. When republicans started fear mongering about the “immigrant caravan”, democrats hopped right on board.
Not even close to the same.
No one is saying they were good. That’s the mistake so many people make about people who voted for Harris. Plenty of us didn’t do it because we liked Harris. We did it because we hated Trump.
Over and over again, I said to people telling me not to vote for Harris, “which candidate should I vote for that has a legitimate chance of beating Donald Trump?” And I didn’t get an answer.
Then, when Indiana finalized it’s ballot, there were four names on it and write-ins were not allowed: Harris, Trump, Kennedy and Oliver. Again, I asked who I should vote for multiple times. No answer. The closest I got was a very confused person who told me I shouldn’t vote for any of them as I did a process of elimination while simultaneously saying I shouldn’t abstain.
Good lord you’re prolific on here. Im pretty sure youve argued with me against progressive parties before and all of this is extreme revisionism. But its too far buried.
I’m not sure how that changes the fact that I asked and asked and I never got an answer for who I should vote for.
Even now, you’re not saying who I should have voted for.
That is not how anyone wins elections.
I think you are completely lying. I was on here a lot promoting Stein, and getting extremely opposed by you and everyone else. Fuck off with this “i just wanted an answer” innocent BS
I’m not lying at all.
I literally could not vote for Stein. Did you not read what I wrote? Do I need to show you the Indiana ballot and prove it to you?
Exactly. You’re taking the high horse, ethical, “I won’t sink to their level” strategy against people who literally have no ethics, scruples, morals, or shame. They are depending on you to fight fair. So they can punch you in the back of the head when you turn your back. People who present themselves as more intelligent, moral, and noble prove once again that they’re rubes and marks.
What the fuck is it going to take that you have to fight fire with fire with these lateral pieces of human shit?
“When they go low, we go high”, Obama said… only to be met with “You go high, we’ll go low, because low gets us votes.”
The problem with that strategy is that moderate Republicans don’t watch the news. They believe that all other Republicans are just like them and hold all the same beliefs, because all their friends are in the same echo chamber. So then they believe all Republican politicians are the same way. They intentionally don’t pay attention to the news because it is full of sensationalism and depressing things they can’t personally control like terrorism and mass shootings. They still believe it’s important to vote, because that’s the patriotic thing to do, and they can just fill the bubbles next to every name marked REP and not have to worry about doing research and learning facts. It’s just the easy way and they’ve lived their whole lives doing things the easy way because of white privilege and generational wealth, but any low points in their lives they will consider to be “hardship” so they “know” that anyone living in poverty is just not trying hard enough, because they personally made it through that “struggle” with barely more than the average effort they usually contribute to anything.
How do I know this? I was raised in a family that is exactly how I described here. The only reason I’m not just like them is that I went to public school and made friends with kids who did not come from the same background. It took about 17 years to finally see all the flawed logic and head-in-sandness before finally breaking free and forging my own path based on my own beliefs.
This right here is why the Republicans won. All I see below me is finger pointing and blame tossing. Republicans have got their shit on lockdown. You guys can’t even figure out who to blame.
It’s easy to look like they “got their shit on lockdown” when they’re straight-up copying the fascist playbook.
The blame game isn’t helpful, though. Divide and conquer is from that same fascist playbook. Blaming anyone except the Republican establishment serves only to diminish their primary role in this situation, and further divide us from each other. We have to stop attacking fellow victims and put that blame squarely where it belongs.
The plan is the same as it has been since the dawn of time: The obscenely rich pit the peasants against each other to maintain their wealth and power. That’s it. That’s what it’s always been. The oligarchs have taken over every aspect of our government, including SCOTUS, and personally own most of our former prestigious trusted new sources. Now propaganda organs.
The United States of America as we knew it is over. Welcome to The Fourth Reich. Enjoy the next 2 months, or use them to plan an exit strategy.
They know exactly who is to blame. But that would involve some degree of self-reflection so, on with the show… i guess.
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Democrats just aren’t going to be the progressive party. How many times are you going to fail to learn this lesson?
The DNC actively kneecapped Bernie Sanders twice. And the SCOTUS said it was their perogative.
Without a Sanders platform from which to pilfer popular talking points, the Dems had zip. That doesn’t get John Q out of his Lazyboy. As the results showed.
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Get organized. Join a Leftist org, find solidarity with fellow comrades, and protect each other. The Dems will not save you, it is up to the Workers to protect themselves. The Party for Socialism and Liberation and Freedom Road Socialist Organization both organize year round, every year, because the battle for progress is a constant struggle, not a single election. See if there is a chapter near you, or start one! Or, see if there’s an org you like more near you and join it, the point is that organizing is the best thing any leftist can do.
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Read theory. A good primer is Blackshirts and Reds. It will help contextualize what fascism is, what causes it, and how to stop it. I can offer a good introductory reading list regarding Marxism if you’d like, but this is a good starting point.
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Aggressively combat white supremacy, misogyny, queerphobia, and other attacks on marginalized communities. Cede no ground.
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Be more industrious, and self-sufficient. Take up gardening, home repair, tinkering. It is through practice that you elevate your problem-solving capabilities. Not only will you improve your skill at one subject, but your general problem-solving muscles get strengthened as well. Theory guides practice, which sharpens theory to be reapplied to better practice.
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Learn self-defense. Get armed, if practical. Be ready to protect yourself and others. The Democrats will not save us, we must save each other.
If I had canvassed for Harris in Tennessee I’d have been shot.
https://www.optionsri.org/post/chattering-classes-activism-is-the-best-remedy-to-authoritarianism
Rest, recuperate, get into a sustainable rhythm. Only we will keep us safe.
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Yea but they won’t court the “left”(what little of a left exists in America) because the DNC doesn’t want leftist or even center-left policies, they like and want center-right policies that republicans 30 years ago pushed.
They refuse to actually campaign and address people’s concerns. They gaslight, minimize, denigrate, guilt trip, and verbally abuse people and then are surprised Pikachu when no one is happy or motivated to vote for them.
“You owe it to your country to vote.” “You are a bad person/stupid/russian shill etc if you vote for anyone but Kamala.”
These things just stroke your ego and are otherwise thought terminating. They do not get votes. Like holy fuck, if you just listen to people’s concerns and talk with them, it tends to work.
But with Citizens united, campaigns focus around a capitalist spending strategy like it’s Election Christmas. Bernie Sanders, Stacey Abrams, and AOC all had what I’d call “authentic” campaigns, where they requested help with canvassing and phone calls before they requested donations. Like donations were fine, but most emails and texts were asking for workers, volunteers, and physical help. Those requests were completely absent from Kamala’s campaign.
The status quo just doesn’t want the common person to have political literacy. If they teach us how to canvas, then we’ll do it for someone who isn’t status quo. If they show us how to run for office, then we will just run ourselves like AOC did. They are in direct conflict with themselves because they are trying to suppress anything except status quo Dems.
Looked at the dem votes for the last few elections and it looked consistent except for biden. Who somehow got way more than normal.
2008 69 mil 2012 65 mil 2016 65 mil 2020 81 mil 2024 66 mil
votes for Biden were “anything oh god anything but this.”
Yeah but it didn’t carry. Guess everyone forgot Trump.
So I guess we do this again in four years? Assuming elections are still a thing.
I think I’m just done. as many Democrats as Ive voted for and the best they can do is “Not as actively evil?” tired of it. Starting to think if we’re going to hell on a bucket maybe I should be the one holding the handle.
The dems are not our party. I don’t they ever will be in the foreseeable future. The issue is not making the dems win but stopping the GOP.
If elections still exist, and the Democratic Party still hasn’t been deposed, yes. We’ll likely have a mass of people voting to get rid of Trump’s chaos for anyone else, and the Dems will receive a boost. Then, when they run the same milquetoast candidate 4 years later with nothing to offer but “better than the alternative,” they’ll fail again.
It’s basically the same back and forth pendulum as before, but accelerated. Now incumbents can’t even expect to receive all 8 years before the pendulum shifts.
You’re probably right, but I hate that you’re probably right. No fault of yours.
It’s okay, I hate that I’m probably right too. Today has been a really shitty day for being right. I’m probably going to spend the rest of my life thinking about how this last decade went, and if there was anything more I could have done.
Also the only white male in those years…
I had the same thought…
The Biden campaign offered something, notably student loan forgiveness, but both Clinton and Harris’s campaigns relied on the dumbfuck Pied Piper strategy that they would offer nothing to the voters other than being not-Trump.
That’s a dumb fucking strategy because there are fewer people that will vote Democrat as the lesser evil than will vote Republican just because Republican. They have to court people with policies they actually want.
And the absolute crazy thing is they tried this in 2016 and it failed, yet somehow had the balls to try again when it mattered more.
The Harris campaign put out an 80 page policy guidebook explaining what they were offering. Stop denying responsibility from the voters. A bunch of people wanted this and a bunch of others figured this was better than rallying around the one viable alternative, be it a form a protest or laziness. Voters are ultimately responsible for who we collectively elect.
Vanishingly few voters read white papers. If that stuff isn’t messaged then it doesn’t matter. And a convention of “joy” wasn’t it.
The average US citizen is not going to sit down and parse through 80 pages of policy. Why the fuck didn’t she promote it in interviews? Every speech and interview I have seen she just skirts around questions and gives vague answers, very frequently repeating herself almost verbatim. It really didn’t inspire confidence. And I say this as someone who voted for her.
If she had a playbook, she ignored it and didn’t talk about it. Despite people begging for policies.
Trump has one, played dumb and wants to do it. Despite it being evil.
I wonder who won?
And the absolute crazy thing is they tried this in 2016 and it failed, yet somehow had the balls to try again when it mattered more.
They could blame 2016 on Hillary, not on the “I’m not him” strategy. Go figure that a 20+ year campaign to paint a woman as the literal devil would in fact cause problems for her at the ballot box, right? Who would have guessed except for anyone with a functional frontal cortex?
The Harris campaign sent BOTH Clintons out to “rally” voters. So Hillary went to Florida.
And Bill went to Michigan and spent his time browbeating the Muslim community there about the war in Gaza.
Who OK’d this? Were they born in the heart of a dying star, cause they must be the densest mofuckas on Earth.
Tbf, you would have to hate yourself a lot to look at trump and say “eh… i dont agree with him and he’s likely to completely fuck the country and endanger millions of innocent lives… but look! The democrats are only saying that they arent trump. I better not do a damn thing and hope for the best!”
I guess democrats are just are idiotic and short visioned as republicans. Perhaps they are in fact the same.
Hey, I’ll probably delete my account soon because I shilled so hard for this campaign and it feels so gross. I knew day one enthusiasm was going to sink the dems and pushed back against the apathy as hard as I could. I was pretty devastated when kamala took the stage at the DNC and gave her support for, “a strong military” and talked about her gun or what ever. After that was just going through the motions and convincing myself I wasn’t crazy for not wanting trump to win this badly.
The way I see it now, and will remember as we go in the future the DNC offers nothing. That’s not fair, they do a lot of good for state and local governments but at a federal level, they will never be able to effect real change. Maybe it’s because the way the fed is setup or for what ever other reason. It’s not that the leadership has failed, it’s that they can’t win. I’ve hopped to lots of different possible solutions for Americans over the years and I guess there is one way out. Until we see liberals migrate away from the cities and take root in the land we will never have a government that represents them. That’s where the war will be fought. Until then, even if Trump doesn’t crown himself king asshole it’s the RNC’s game the DNC just resets the board.
I am sorry, but this is not going to happen. Liberals are found in cities because of class interests, not genetic opinions. People’s ideas are driven by their material conditions. But, hope is not lost. The Dems are, but they were never a path out, they represent their donors above all else.
Revolution is necessary. Voting can’t get us there. I recommend reading Reform or Revolution and The State and Revolution for why reform is pretty much impossible and revolution is necessary.
I can offer a good intro list to Marxism if you’d like, or answer any questions you may have.
I think the Democrats needed a solid message and populist policy. The “opportunity economy” sounded like a vague platitude, and her policies were weak tea like increasing the child tax credit and helping to fund down payments on houses.
It’s the populist policy that’s the hanging point. The DNC Services Corp will never let that happen. They’re all too happy to let fascists win and fundraise off the fallout.
This country is cooked. The empire is finally dying. My big concern is that this empire has nukes it will use on the way down.
We’re on track to becoming Russia, and Russia hasn’t used their nukes yet.
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No, you ignorant fool… they needed more scorned establishment Republican figures to support her. Liz Cheney wasn’t powerful enough, that much is clear now. The absolute genius of having our vehemently pro-choice candidate on stage accepting the endorsement of rabidly anti-abortion figures almost payed off. It’s the voters who were wrong!
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meanwhile im already seeing “moderate” “pundits” saying the reason Harris lost is because she was too woke and Democrats need to move further right 🙃
The problem, the worlld is now confirmed as knowing already, is that Americans are, for want of a better word, scum.
