I don’t blame them for responding petty. Steam has some of the most hostile and bigoted people out there. Something like this is a great way to push back against them while being funny and highlighting the absurdity of their request.
Which it so is, people don’t need a straight pride flag or straight pride label, they’re just trying to push back against LGBTQ acceptance.
There’s a couple actually. The most popular designs usually consist of just black and white horizontal stripes, usually with male and female symbols intertwined. There’s one that’s black and white, with a rainbow pyramid overlayed on top.
That last one is the Ally flag, though I don’t see why Allies should have a flag dedicated to them, if you want to fly a flag in support of us, just use the rainbow or progressive flag. Like why is a special ally flag needed?
The request is seen as absurd because for the most part straight/cis people do not need to affirm or have pride in their straightness, they aren’t oppressed or have limited recognition for it, the desire for “straight pride” is completely reactionary to the idea of LGBTQ+ pride, and the person on Steam who requested that feature is likely a bigot who is annoyed about LGBTQ+ pride, so the developer’s response is justified.
I mean, I think that saying “straight people don’t need to take pride in their straightness” is equal to “gay people don’t need to take pride in their gayness”. Which is the goal - for being gay, queer, trans to be universally accepted everywhere. For the value of gay pride to be equal to the value of pride in the straightness - which is when being LGBTQ+ is so normalized in society, that there is no need to take pride in it. You don’t really get that by alienating someone. Like, imagine the gay tag was at such a high price - the blowback would be huge.
Straight people do not need to take pride in being straight as they are not oppressed for being straight. They do not need to beg for recognition as a straight person or beg not to be abused for being straight, people are understood and assumed to be straight by default. Straight pride parades, straight pride badges, and straight pride labels are a reactionary counter movement to LGBTQ+ pride often arranged and practiced by people who are bigoted or intolerant towards LGBTQ+ people.
You saying that calling out people for setting up or attending straight pride events or wearing a straight pride label is somehow equivalent t criticizing or denying gay people pride is a bad faith comparison because the situations are not equal and like I’ve already said. Straight people are not oppressed for being straight.
You say that straight people aren’t bullied for being straight, and yet the straight tag is in quotation marks and costs 9999 instead of 75. Which is bullying compared to other tags.
I myself am bi. I would never “wear” a badge saying that. But I understand people that would want to. I also understand people who would want to wear a straight badge. And saying that the only reason to wear one is to be reactionary to gay pride and to “be a counter movement” feels like gatekeeping people away from their sexual identity. I don’t want “straight” to be “normal” and “gay” to be “abnormal”. Assumptions ruin this world and lead to stereotypes.
Same. In fact were I playing webfishing knowing that this many people from all sides would be this upset about the title, I would 100% gun for it and enjoy the fireworks.
People’s reactions to things like this are hilariously overblown, both the anger that some straight person would dare to ask for representation and that some dev would gently troll them.
The original request was for inclusion, and you bloodthirsty foamers reject them out of hand because you’re petty. You’re sitting there putting people down and thinking you’re just so cool because everyone straight is obviously the kind of person who hurt you before.
Because by having a title for straight people it takes a step towards no longer making that the default. Similarly, if they’ve got Ace it would be nice to also have Allo. Maybe they do and it wasn’t mentioned in the article 🤷
Are you saying that the word “straight” implies default instead of a direction kinda like how feminism really implies “for women” instead of egalitarian?
I get where you’re coming from, but the reason I disagree is because you’re assuming these people are acting in good faith. Why do they need a title?
Queer folk have always used symbols to distinguish ourselves and find others. We’re ~10% of the population and it’s necessary. Straight people do not commonly do so, and 100% of the people who feel the need to wear it like a badge are actually signaling their refusal to let the rest of us exist.
I, for one, would feel perfectly comfortable in an MMO with 90% straight people. (This is just called existing in public.) I would leave immediately if 90% of people wore a “Straight” title for no discernable reason.
I’m not straight. This shit is exactly the kind of shit we complain about every day, and if it’s not fine for us, it’s not fine for them. You can’t just throw shit back the other way and tell yourself you fight for equality and inclusion. We don’t win that fight.
Hold on, is the straight person arguing for the gays, and the gay person arguing for the straights?? (I’m pansexual and I think we should all just get along)
Some people need to be poked fun at so they can get over themselves.
This is literally punching up at ~80% of the population. This isn’t bullying. Anybody even marginally emotionally mature would laugh or roll their eyes and move on.
Let me just go and get my badges that say “default config” and “normal” from the drawer here somewhere. Then I’ll explain it to you while wearing them.
The dev put the title in the game. nobody said it wasn’t allowed. I say its really weird to request it, and clearly the dev thought it was a dumb request given the price difference in game, but it was put in anyway.
I’m non-binary, and even my parents were shit about it when I came out. If you’re ever feeling dysphoric because of, oh I dunno let’s create a scenario: Some moron online tries to use right-wing junk-science make you feel lesser or abnormal because they feel powerless and all they can think to do is punch down like the cowards they are…
Then listen to this song, and know that I’m here, listening to it too, right beside you. Don’t let these bigots get to you, because that’s how they win, they make you doubt yourself. You know who you are, they know shit and they aren’t fucking psychics.
Smash the patriarchy, punch a Nazi, and surround yourself with love.
Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical.
“normal room temperature; one’s normal weight; normal diplomatic relations.”
Functioning or occurring in a natural way; lacking observable abnormalities or deficiencies.
Relating to or designating the normality of a solution.
definition 3 is not relevant, but i assume you’d agree that none of those definitions that were listed have specific statistical meanings
normal is not a useful statistical term: it does not mean average in any way - mean, median, mode, etc… normal is, in a social context, more likely to be interpreted to mean “Functioning or occurring in a natural way; lacking observable abnormalities or deficiencies”, so i think you’d have to admit being described as “not normal” would piss some people off
Human beings don’t come in ‘standards.’ 105 men are born for every 100 women, does that mean women aren’t ‘standard’ or ‘normal’? You’re using an appeal to definition, still. That isn’t how we talk about people. There are more common things, but there is no ‘normal,’ ‘standard,’ etc. We have imposed standards, through a patriarchal system, which I feel Ursula K. Le Guin can explain far better than I.
So when I was born, there actually were only men. People were men. They all had one pronoun, his pronoun; so that’s who I am. I am the generic he, as in, “If anybody needs an abortion he will have to go to another state,” or “A writer knows which side his bread is buttered on.” That’s me, the writer, him. I am a man.
i like how you call a dictionary definition simply “my” definition… if you’d like to learn more about the english language, i suggest you use a freely available dictionary website
So just so we’re clear, in your chart here, every single age group, from Gen-Z to Traditionalists, has increased every year.
Huh, it’s almost like… these are numbers of openly LGBT people… and the more they are accepted, the more come out. And given that 1/5th of Gen-Z are already identifying that way, what will the number by in 2030?
So being bisexual is ‘normal’ then, is it? Does that make you abnormal?
I say its a interesting change when put into the context of the Internet “LGBT” people being toxic and don’t listen to anyone not LGBT many do identify as bisexual wich in return makes actually Bisexual people looked down upon by LGBT people
I’m bi and have never experienced that, nor has anyone bi that I know, but I also have to ask… do you know what the ‘B’ in ‘LGBT’ stands for?
into the context of the Internet “LGBT” people being toxic and don’t listen to anyone not LGBT
The invented context of what? How do ‘LGBT people not listen to anyone not LGBT’? For what? What the hell are you talking about? Is this a ‘Gay Agenda’ thing?
You’re so right! The straights are so brave and persecuted!
It’s so hard to be considered the only valid sexuality by the majority of people and religions. They should definitely cater to the straights. The lgbtqia+ population shouldn’t get a single thing- not protections, spaces, clothing, or even name tags that straights don’t.
Think it’s time that the straights get a pride day? Maybe a white lives matter movement is in order too! Maybe we should have a mens day as well. Hell, let’s do something super special for all the straight white men since they have it so tough and their title is important and they fought soooooo hard for it.
So I guess setting equality as the goalpost is fine. But I just don’t think that straight people are really all that into having recognition for being straight. And I don’t think that LGBT want straight people to be treated worse in order to achieve equality. So maybe not the best goalpost but it’s close. Fish and birds have very different needs and equality is not really going to make it better without a lot of nuance.
Like the guy on fire begging for water doesn’t deserve it more than you but if you point at him and say “no fair what about equality” it kind of ignores all the important context and makes you look like a dick.
And straight people aren’t all that into being bashed and berated for being straight. I want equality, and to me that means equal, no context needed. So it comes off as extremely hypocritical when I see straights, whites, whatever it may be, getting the same treatment that they get ridiculed for. Your analogy works for a lot of things, but not for the way anyone should be treated. Period.
No context needed? So like the narrowest scope for equality? Like you want straight people to be treated as lesser? Killed in other countries? Or maybe context would help with that type equality. Let’s make the straights experience what the lgbtqia+ people did/do and that’s equality.
Anyway, equality is great but we ain’t even fucking there yet. Give the LGBT peeps their pride and celebration in the places where they won’t be fucking killed for it. If I would be killed for having six toes in Australia and had just recently made it closer to being treated like another person in my own country I’d celebrate the shit out of my sixth toe all the god damn time. When someone comes to my six toe party/game/whatever with five toes, who cares. Live and let live. I’m celebrating with my six toed goblet and my six toed hat. When they show up and ask for a five toed goblet because it’s only equal I’d probably make fun of them for having absolutely no understanding of what’s being celebrated or why and tell them they could have one for a million dollars or whatever too. But I’m sure the straight name tag and recognition is ‘equally’ meaningful to straight people, right?
This comes off as incredibly dense. Equality in the highest form, with no negatives. Notice who’s the one heated here, and who’s the one with beliefs of human equality, bar none. I accept no blame as a supporter, and I will give no shade neither here nor there. And yeah, it is meaningful and I expect your acceptance, as I give to you and anyone else, friend.
Sorry if you think I’m heated. I’ll tone it down. I really tend to overuse expletives for emphasis. I want to be clear that I understand you. However, I think that “equality in it’s highest form” is some kind of platonic magic that doesn’t exist in the reality we live in and is completely irrelevant to any of this. Like, it’s pretty ridiculous to remove context from a situation and just blanket “equality” on something. Your version is some really thoughtless black and white stuff that could use maybe a minute of consideration. Like treating someone without legs the same as someone who can walk and forgoing ramps because that’s equality in the highest form. “With no negatives” would require the legless fella to have legs. And would that require giving them legs to achieve equality? What about the legged people who didn’t get a hugely expensive surgery? Is equality giving them cash to equal that out? I’m saying it’s actually always complicated. Equality with context (and even really really simple thought) concludes that treating everyone equally means treating some people differently. Because, y’know, you can’t ask a paraplegic to use the stairs in most cases.
But I’m mostly just responding to inform and explain in case there’s any chance of education or open mindedness and it seems like we’re not getting anywhere.
I’m in no need of informing, and your analogies fall short of making a point. I don’t mind if you want to focus on what separates us, but this has been a waste of my time, and there is no conclusion when met with ignorance.
If we want to normalize LGBT, we can’t assume someone’s sexuality, so therefore labels are valuable.
And no, straight people don’t need a separate pride day, they could just use the same day we already have. I’d love to see straight people marching alongside their LGBT friends celebrating normalizing all types of sexuality. The LGBT community has “won” once people are more likely to all ask than assume someone’s sexuality.
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The original request was petty, so was the response.
I don’t blame them for responding petty. Steam has some of the most hostile and bigoted people out there. Something like this is a great way to push back against them while being funny and highlighting the absurdity of their request.
Which it so is, people don’t need a straight pride flag or straight pride label, they’re just trying to push back against LGBTQ acceptance.
Sadly they do have a straight pride flag… 🇺🇲
There’s a couple actually. The most popular designs usually consist of just black and white horizontal stripes, usually with male and female symbols intertwined. There’s one that’s black and white, with a rainbow pyramid overlayed on top.
This was a jab at American christofascism
That last one is the Ally flag, though I don’t see why Allies should have a flag dedicated to them, if you want to fly a flag in support of us, just use the rainbow or progressive flag. Like why is a special ally flag needed?
How is the request absurd? The straight title didn’t remove any other pride flag or titles didn’t it?
The request is seen as absurd because for the most part straight/cis people do not need to affirm or have pride in their straightness, they aren’t oppressed or have limited recognition for it, the desire for “straight pride” is completely reactionary to the idea of LGBTQ+ pride, and the person on Steam who requested that feature is likely a bigot who is annoyed about LGBTQ+ pride, so the developer’s response is justified.
I mean, I think that saying “straight people don’t need to take pride in their straightness” is equal to “gay people don’t need to take pride in their gayness”. Which is the goal - for being gay, queer, trans to be universally accepted everywhere. For the value of gay pride to be equal to the value of pride in the straightness - which is when being LGBTQ+ is so normalized in society, that there is no need to take pride in it. You don’t really get that by alienating someone. Like, imagine the gay tag was at such a high price - the blowback would be huge.
Does the word “intersectionality” make you recoil physically?
No it doesn’t, what’s your point?
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You entirely ignore it in the post I replied to.
Straight people do not need to take pride in being straight as they are not oppressed for being straight. They do not need to beg for recognition as a straight person or beg not to be abused for being straight, people are understood and assumed to be straight by default. Straight pride parades, straight pride badges, and straight pride labels are a reactionary counter movement to LGBTQ+ pride often arranged and practiced by people who are bigoted or intolerant towards LGBTQ+ people.
You saying that calling out people for setting up or attending straight pride events or wearing a straight pride label is somehow equivalent t criticizing or denying gay people pride is a bad faith comparison because the situations are not equal and like I’ve already said. Straight people are not oppressed for being straight.
You say that straight people aren’t bullied for being straight, and yet the straight tag is in quotation marks and costs 9999 instead of 75. Which is bullying compared to other tags.
I myself am bi. I would never “wear” a badge saying that. But I understand people that would want to. I also understand people who would want to wear a straight badge. And saying that the only reason to wear one is to be reactionary to gay pride and to “be a counter movement” feels like gatekeeping people away from their sexual identity. I don’t want “straight” to be “normal” and “gay” to be “abnormal”. Assumptions ruin this world and lead to stereotypes.
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Then I guess it’s not petty to give it to them, which they did.
By that rationale, the nazi arm bands should be coming in a future update. After all, it’s just a cosmetic item that players ask for.
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Same. In fact were I playing webfishing knowing that this many people from all sides would be this upset about the title, I would 100% gun for it and enjoy the fireworks.
People’s reactions to things like this are hilariously overblown, both the anger that some straight person would dare to ask for representation and that some dev would gently troll them.
It might not be the same level, but it’s the same rationale.
The original request was for inclusion, and you bloodthirsty foamers reject them out of hand because you’re petty. You’re sitting there putting people down and thinking you’re just so cool because everyone straight is obviously the kind of person who hurt you before.
I’m straight too so I’m having a hard time understanding. Why do you and that guy feel the need to make yourselves victims of an imagined atrocity?
Because by having a title for straight people it takes a step towards no longer making that the default. Similarly, if they’ve got Ace it would be nice to also have Allo. Maybe they do and it wasn’t mentioned in the article 🤷
So what’s wrong with “straight” ?
That’s the point, isn’t it? Nothing is wrong with any of it so why not treat everyone with equality?
Are you saying that the word “straight” implies default instead of a direction kinda like how feminism really implies “for women” instead of egalitarian?
I’m saying by not having the label in the game, the creators are assuming it is the default which should not be the case.
So they should include it and not be glib.
So no matter whether it’s assumed or called “straight”, it’s bad to consider it a default?
Broski, it’s pretty much default.
I get where you’re coming from, but the reason I disagree is because you’re assuming these people are acting in good faith. Why do they need a title?
Queer folk have always used symbols to distinguish ourselves and find others. We’re ~10% of the population and it’s necessary. Straight people do not commonly do so, and 100% of the people who feel the need to wear it like a badge are actually signaling their refusal to let the rest of us exist.
I, for one, would feel perfectly comfortable in an MMO with 90% straight people. (This is just called existing in public.) I would leave immediately if 90% of people wore a “Straight” title for no discernable reason.
I’m not straight. This shit is exactly the kind of shit we complain about every day, and if it’s not fine for us, it’s not fine for them. You can’t just throw shit back the other way and tell yourself you fight for equality and inclusion. We don’t win that fight.
Hold on, is the straight person arguing for the gays, and the gay person arguing for the straights?? (I’m pansexual and I think we should all just get along)
I’m bi and I’m arguing for inclusion, not any particular side.
Straight people dont actually exist and this farce has gone on long enough.
They’re being petty, yes. I think it’s funny though, lol
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it serves the purpose to mock the request and make people think about the absurdity
in the same way that a request for a “white history month” should also be mocked - it’s just straight up trivialising the whole concept
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The purpose is, as the other commenter said, to mock the request and to highlight its absurdity.
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Some people need to be poked fun at so they can get over themselves.
This is literally punching up at ~80% of the population. This isn’t bullying. Anybody even marginally emotionally mature would laugh or roll their eyes and move on.
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it sounds like you don’t understand protest
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Let me just go and get my badges that say “default config” and “normal” from the drawer here somewhere. Then I’ll explain it to you while wearing them.
It looks like these guys have you covered:
https://retrobadge.co.uk/retrobadge/slogans-sayings-badges/normal-small-retro-badge/
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The dev put the title in the game. nobody said it wasn’t allowed. I say its really weird to request it, and clearly the dev thought it was a dumb request given the price difference in game, but it was put in anyway.
I mean, I think a badge titled Normal would have been just fine.
As if being queer is wrong or abnormal 🙄
I may be trans but as far as most people are concerned I’m a normal girl.
Girl what the fuck. You are a girl, there’s no “concern” to it.
EDIT: To whomever downvoted me, one day they’ll come for someone you do care about, and you’ll remember this moment in shame and self-loathing.
You’re right I am a girl, whether anyone likes it or not.
I’m non-binary, and even my parents were shit about it when I came out. If you’re ever feeling dysphoric because of, oh I dunno let’s create a scenario: Some moron online tries to use right-wing junk-science make you feel lesser or abnormal because they feel powerless and all they can think to do is punch down like the cowards they are…
Then listen to this song, and know that I’m here, listening to it too, right beside you. Don’t let these bigots get to you, because that’s how they win, they make you doubt yourself. You know who you are, they know shit and they aren’t fucking psychics.
Smash the patriarchy, punch a Nazi, and surround yourself with love.
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definition 3 is not relevant, but i assume you’d agree that none of those definitions that were listed have specific statistical meanings
normal is not a useful statistical term: it does not mean average in any way - mean, median, mode, etc… normal is, in a social context, more likely to be interpreted to mean “Functioning or occurring in a natural way; lacking observable abnormalities or deficiencies”, so i think you’d have to admit being described as “not normal” would piss some people off
please adjust your language
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Human beings don’t come in ‘standards.’ 105 men are born for every 100 women, does that mean women aren’t ‘standard’ or ‘normal’? You’re using an appeal to definition, still. That isn’t how we talk about people. There are more common things, but there is no ‘normal,’ ‘standard,’ etc. We have imposed standards, through a patriarchal system, which I feel Ursula K. Le Guin can explain far better than I.
i like how you call a dictionary definition simply “my” definition… if you’d like to learn more about the english language, i suggest you use a freely available dictionary website
So just so we’re clear, in your chart here, every single age group, from Gen-Z to Traditionalists, has increased every year.
Huh, it’s almost like… these are numbers of openly LGBT people… and the more they are accepted, the more come out. And given that 1/5th of Gen-Z are already identifying that way, what will the number by in 2030?
You are using an appeal to definition and look absolutely childish.
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So being bisexual is ‘normal’ then, is it? Does that make you abnormal?
I’m bi and have never experienced that, nor has anyone bi that I know, but I also have to ask… do you know what the ‘B’ in ‘LGBT’ stands for?
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The point is more that actual normal people wouldn’t own or wear either.
You’re so right! The straights are so brave and persecuted!
It’s so hard to be considered the only valid sexuality by the majority of people and religions. They should definitely cater to the straights. The lgbtqia+ population shouldn’t get a single thing- not protections, spaces, clothing, or even name tags that straights don’t.
Think it’s time that the straights get a pride day? Maybe a white lives matter movement is in order too! Maybe we should have a mens day as well. Hell, let’s do something super special for all the straight white men since they have it so tough and their title is important and they fought soooooo hard for it.
Equal means equal. Your argument just creates a different hierarchy does it not?
So I guess setting equality as the goalpost is fine. But I just don’t think that straight people are really all that into having recognition for being straight. And I don’t think that LGBT want straight people to be treated worse in order to achieve equality. So maybe not the best goalpost but it’s close. Fish and birds have very different needs and equality is not really going to make it better without a lot of nuance.
Like the guy on fire begging for water doesn’t deserve it more than you but if you point at him and say “no fair what about equality” it kind of ignores all the important context and makes you look like a dick.
And straight people aren’t all that into being bashed and berated for being straight. I want equality, and to me that means equal, no context needed. So it comes off as extremely hypocritical when I see straights, whites, whatever it may be, getting the same treatment that they get ridiculed for. Your analogy works for a lot of things, but not for the way anyone should be treated. Period.
No context needed? So like the narrowest scope for equality? Like you want straight people to be treated as lesser? Killed in other countries? Or maybe context would help with that type equality. Let’s make the straights experience what the lgbtqia+ people did/do and that’s equality.
Anyway, equality is great but we ain’t even fucking there yet. Give the LGBT peeps their pride and celebration in the places where they won’t be fucking killed for it. If I would be killed for having six toes in Australia and had just recently made it closer to being treated like another person in my own country I’d celebrate the shit out of my sixth toe all the god damn time. When someone comes to my six toe party/game/whatever with five toes, who cares. Live and let live. I’m celebrating with my six toed goblet and my six toed hat. When they show up and ask for a five toed goblet because it’s only equal I’d probably make fun of them for having absolutely no understanding of what’s being celebrated or why and tell them they could have one for a million dollars or whatever too. But I’m sure the straight name tag and recognition is ‘equally’ meaningful to straight people, right?
This comes off as incredibly dense. Equality in the highest form, with no negatives. Notice who’s the one heated here, and who’s the one with beliefs of human equality, bar none. I accept no blame as a supporter, and I will give no shade neither here nor there. And yeah, it is meaningful and I expect your acceptance, as I give to you and anyone else, friend.
Sorry if you think I’m heated. I’ll tone it down. I really tend to overuse expletives for emphasis. I want to be clear that I understand you. However, I think that “equality in it’s highest form” is some kind of platonic magic that doesn’t exist in the reality we live in and is completely irrelevant to any of this. Like, it’s pretty ridiculous to remove context from a situation and just blanket “equality” on something. Your version is some really thoughtless black and white stuff that could use maybe a minute of consideration. Like treating someone without legs the same as someone who can walk and forgoing ramps because that’s equality in the highest form. “With no negatives” would require the legless fella to have legs. And would that require giving them legs to achieve equality? What about the legged people who didn’t get a hugely expensive surgery? Is equality giving them cash to equal that out? I’m saying it’s actually always complicated. Equality with context (and even really really simple thought) concludes that treating everyone equally means treating some people differently. Because, y’know, you can’t ask a paraplegic to use the stairs in most cases.
But I’m mostly just responding to inform and explain in case there’s any chance of education or open mindedness and it seems like we’re not getting anywhere.
I’m in no need of informing, and your analogies fall short of making a point. I don’t mind if you want to focus on what separates us, but this has been a waste of my time, and there is no conclusion when met with ignorance.
We actually already have International Men’s Day, it’s next Tuesday (Nov 19).
P.s. I agree with you, I just wanted to point out a fun fact.
Literally had no idea lol. Thanks. I wonder why it’s so under celebrated.
Because most dudes calling for it don’t actually care about celebrating men, they just don’t want women to have things.
What’s so wrong about a label?
If we want to normalize LGBT, we can’t assume someone’s sexuality, so therefore labels are valuable.
And no, straight people don’t need a separate pride day, they could just use the same day we already have. I’d love to see straight people marching alongside their LGBT friends celebrating normalizing all types of sexuality. The LGBT community has “won” once people are more likely to all ask than assume someone’s sexuality.
Congratulations, you’re part of the problem.
Egalitarian respect was never the point.
Being petty is the point.
You can decide if you respect that behavior or not. Personally I’ll be refunding this title.
It’s ok, I bought copies for my friends to cancel your vote out.
That’s always been allowed.
I’m not about to buy a game you don’t like to try to upset you, though. Seems weird. Have a great time fishing!