It is far less nonsensical than your argument “I heard some lib say something so it must be false”.
It was also almost everyone in Russia, aside from libs, who demanded SVO. By the way, KPRF demanded it so hard, that they (what a coincidence!) decided to put it on the vote in duma only in 2022, right after Putin prepared an army for that. I think even you won’t that it is not something that you can do in one month.
Zyuganov can talk whatever he wanted, but his speeches are not supported by his actions. Zhirinovsky also talked about donbas, does it make LDPR a communist party? If we use this argument the best one would be Limonov and naz-bol party, who sent troops to fight for Donbas in 2014.
As for Marxism, your analysis based on arguments “I heard some lib say it”, “The KPRF has K in it’s name”, “Zyuganov supports Putin, so he must be communist” is far better. Marxist analysis should be based on reality. If your analysis is based on “I don’t want to hear anything, I don’t want to check anything, I once heard some lib, made my opinion and gonna stick with it” then your Marxism is non-existing.
By the way, your argument about Zyuganov supporting SVO is especially funny. Do you know who else support SVO? Russian nazi, like DShRG “Rusich”, like Russian Imperial Corpus etc. What a bunch of communists!
Coinciding decisions on SVO and on important foreign policies doesn’t necessarily makes one
pro imperialist or pro Putin. You are making an ass of an argument here that liberal talk is as fine as it is against KPRF. I don’t need to check my information based on a random dude from internet who had no history of positing anything earlier and then it suddenly jumps on bashing KPRF because it did some decisions which had conflicted your personal ethos and ideological stance. It’s you only who initially wrote that KPRF has businessman as nominee for election. In that regard you completely forgot Chinese historical approach and completely simped without judgement on CPC and wrote that it had been easy peasy for CPC because they are in power. I mean what kind or nonsensical argument is that.
Again you are not learning from history. Nationalists and communists were united against the Japanese invasion from 1930. The scenario you made in which nazbols sent army to fight Nazis was the right approach in marxist way. Similarly Zyganov did the right thing. That doesn’t mean Zyganov has become a fascist or Putin has become a communist or LDPR has become a commie. Liberals and ultra left wing of Russia are nuts and these have nothing to do with what I have heard in Quora. It’s out in the open. The actions of Zyganov may not be in your liking but you can’t proclaim that your opinion is Russia’s opinion on everything. KPRF has good amount of members everywhere and i dont want to call them Putin stooges for certain decisions. It’s a liberal approach to to portray Russia’s inner politics as child’s play. Zyganov supports Putin because he is the best what you have among the remnant of old elites. In either side you have pussy riots and Navalny or crooks like Boris (the surname i care less). Even Communist Party of Ukraine was supportive of SVO, should you declare them as fascist as well? Well you might seeing your “all have decided KPRF is Putin’s stooge”
The argument you made earlier that without revolutions we will be replacing one imperialist with another is another ultra leftist take from the EU land.
Your motto here is… You will not listen to what KPRF wants to say but you will listen to whatever people wants to criticize about KPRF, thats not a proper attitude. You also claimed that recent all communist parties in global South have gone to the right wing, that’s also inaccurate. You reek of huge inaccuracy and infantilism, it is because you don’t want to see any relation between commies and Putin. And don’t want to see the huge contradictions and hyper imperialism in the present world.
Guy, maybe my English is so bad, that you cannot understand my point. You continue to argue against thesises that I have never made.
I am not going to answer to this message. I have already understood that your opinion, revisionist and uneducated from my point of view. You have already heard my opinion, which you also probably consider foolish. And there is not much that can be done here.
I do not think anyone else is reading this thread at this point.
have already understood that your opinion, revisionist and uneducated from my point of view.
That’s an old tactic to portray global South people as uneducated and ideologically impure w.r.t EU moral North commies. Sorry not interested in your vile hidden racism and will not consider your opinion on KPRF as universally accepted phenomenon in Russia because you thought it be so.
Sorry, I am not familiar with foreign stereotypes. In Russia we usually picture people in India as wise people. I, of cause meaned uneducated on this matter (Russian politics), not in general. Sorry if my poor choice of words hurt you.
It is far less nonsensical than your argument “I heard some lib say something so it must be false”. It was also almost everyone in Russia, aside from libs, who demanded SVO. By the way, KPRF demanded it so hard, that they (what a coincidence!) decided to put it on the vote in duma only in 2022, right after Putin prepared an army for that. I think even you won’t that it is not something that you can do in one month. Zyuganov can talk whatever he wanted, but his speeches are not supported by his actions. Zhirinovsky also talked about donbas, does it make LDPR a communist party? If we use this argument the best one would be Limonov and naz-bol party, who sent troops to fight for Donbas in 2014.
As for Marxism, your analysis based on arguments “I heard some lib say it”, “The KPRF has K in it’s name”, “Zyuganov supports Putin, so he must be communist” is far better. Marxist analysis should be based on reality. If your analysis is based on “I don’t want to hear anything, I don’t want to check anything, I once heard some lib, made my opinion and gonna stick with it” then your Marxism is non-existing.
By the way, your argument about Zyuganov supporting SVO is especially funny. Do you know who else support SVO? Russian nazi, like DShRG “Rusich”, like Russian Imperial Corpus etc. What a bunch of communists!
Coinciding decisions on SVO and on important foreign policies doesn’t necessarily makes one pro imperialist or pro Putin. You are making an ass of an argument here that liberal talk is as fine as it is against KPRF. I don’t need to check my information based on a random dude from internet who had no history of positing anything earlier and then it suddenly jumps on bashing KPRF because it did some decisions which had conflicted your personal ethos and ideological stance. It’s you only who initially wrote that KPRF has businessman as nominee for election. In that regard you completely forgot Chinese historical approach and completely simped without judgement on CPC and wrote that it had been easy peasy for CPC because they are in power. I mean what kind or nonsensical argument is that.
Again you are not learning from history. Nationalists and communists were united against the Japanese invasion from 1930. The scenario you made in which nazbols sent army to fight Nazis was the right approach in marxist way. Similarly Zyganov did the right thing. That doesn’t mean Zyganov has become a fascist or Putin has become a communist or LDPR has become a commie. Liberals and ultra left wing of Russia are nuts and these have nothing to do with what I have heard in Quora. It’s out in the open. The actions of Zyganov may not be in your liking but you can’t proclaim that your opinion is Russia’s opinion on everything. KPRF has good amount of members everywhere and i dont want to call them Putin stooges for certain decisions. It’s a liberal approach to to portray Russia’s inner politics as child’s play. Zyganov supports Putin because he is the best what you have among the remnant of old elites. In either side you have pussy riots and Navalny or crooks like Boris (the surname i care less). Even Communist Party of Ukraine was supportive of SVO, should you declare them as fascist as well? Well you might seeing your “all have decided KPRF is Putin’s stooge”
The argument you made earlier that without revolutions we will be replacing one imperialist with another is another ultra leftist take from the EU land. Your motto here is… You will not listen to what KPRF wants to say but you will listen to whatever people wants to criticize about KPRF, thats not a proper attitude. You also claimed that recent all communist parties in global South have gone to the right wing, that’s also inaccurate. You reek of huge inaccuracy and infantilism, it is because you don’t want to see any relation between commies and Putin. And don’t want to see the huge contradictions and hyper imperialism in the present world.
Guy, maybe my English is so bad, that you cannot understand my point. You continue to argue against thesises that I have never made. I am not going to answer to this message. I have already understood that your opinion, revisionist and uneducated from my point of view. You have already heard my opinion, which you also probably consider foolish. And there is not much that can be done here. I do not think anyone else is reading this thread at this point.
have already understood that your opinion, revisionist and uneducated from my point of view.
That’s an old tactic to portray global South people as uneducated and ideologically impure w.r.t EU moral North commies. Sorry not interested in your vile hidden racism and will not consider your opinion on KPRF as universally accepted phenomenon in Russia because you thought it be so.
Sorry, I am not familiar with foreign stereotypes. In Russia we usually picture people in India as wise people. I, of cause meaned uneducated on this matter (Russian politics), not in general. Sorry if my poor choice of words hurt you.